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Quantum

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Subj: AGH!!!
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 at 03:30:00 pm EDT (Viewed 85 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Look at it this way.
Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 at 09:23:26 am EDT (Viewed 116 times)

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    Yes, but they took Superman away from the book *because* of him. He says it himself: "It got so fractious that they said 'That's it'"!

I didn't take that away from that interview, and Giffen has talked about this elsewhere, he has always been clear on the fact he absolutely did not want to do that reboot in issue #4 onwards. He was ordered/forced to do it.
The problem as I understood it was Mike Carlin. Carlin was an excellent editor, but a very opinionated one. Being chief on the Superman books gave him enormous power and he had the power of veto over a book like the Legion where the use of the Superman/Superboy use was concerned. Carlin was also instrumental in ending the excellent Len Strazewski/Mike Parobeck Justice Society and no doubt what would happen to them In Zero Hour - https://www.cbr.com/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-13/

None of this is me saying I agreed with, or liked, a lot of Keith Giffen's decisions on that v4 Legion of Super-Heroes. Like you I think it is entirely fair to say he did indeed finally kill the Legion as any viable concern with that series, but whatever politics were going on when he began that series I am very confident the problems were coming from a place very similar to what Len Strazewski and Mike Parobeck had to contend with... you can't fight that sort of 'on-High' interference, especially from someone as vindictive as Mike Carlin clearly could be.


Mike Carlin was one of Marvel's more public faces when I started reading comics in the mid 80's and I always thought he was a fun guy. But over the past few years I've decided he's a douchebag.

First, Byrne says that his bafflingly bad reboot of the Doom Patrol was enabled by Mike Carlin derping "Do you just want to "Man of Steel it?" which really doesnt work as a description of just throwing out all continuity and starting fresh when the rest of the universe ISN'T ALSO being rebooted.

2nd, an unpleasant interaction I had with him on Facebook.

Third, this thing about Strazewski and Parobeck's Justice League title?
Pffh, that's Strike 3. F that guy.