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Omar Karindu

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GammaSpidey

Subj: Part of the problem...
Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 08:49:42 pm EDT (Viewed 2 times)
Reply Subj: You know what's evident from this thread?
Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 at 03:01:19 pm EDT (Viewed 1 times)

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That it's been 15+ years since Spidey has had even a somewhat classic addition to his rogues gallery. And don't give me Morlun, he's terrible.





> As far as I know, most of Spidey's major villains (Green Goblin, Doc Ock, etc.) made thier debuts, like Spidey himself, in the 60's. The biggest exception to this would be Venom, debuting in the 80's. But I was wondering, which, if any villains debuted in the 70's?
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> I don't just want to limit things to the 70's though, basically, I just would like to know if there's a breakdown by decade of villains introductions, just to get a feel for the various eras, 60's through 00's.

The longer any superhero is around, the more and more the new additions to the rogues' gallery are developed almost entirely around their distinctive connection to the hero; of the new foes of the last decade or so, nearly all of them have started out with their primary motivation being to attack Spider-Man specifically. Fusion blames him for the death of his son, the majority of the new JMS villains are stalking him as part of the totem storyline, Gabriel Stacy exists to hate Peter, and so forth.

In contrast, the really classic villains were created so that they can, on occasion, be interested in or motivated by things other than hatin' on Spidey. They last because they can be used in stories that aren't about them seeking out the protagonist of the title and trying to do stuff to him, with no other real goal in mind. But, say, Morlun? The only thing that can change from one Morlun story to the next is the specific method by which he seeks out and tries to kill Spider-Man.

He's just not going to behave any differently than that, because that's his basic concept. One or two such relentless "vengeance/stalker" villains is fine -- Venom and the Green Goblin have their places in Spidey's rogues' gallery for a reason -- but a whole roster of them is simply dull. A villain who only wants to hurt the hero is a villain with relatively limited story possibilities, and those possibilities will eventually be exhausted.

> That it's been 15+ years since Spidey has had even a somewhat classic addition to his rogues gallery. And don't give me Morlun, he's terrible.
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- Omar Karindu

"A Renoir. I have three, myself. I had four, but ordered one burned...It
displeased me." -- Doctor Doom

"It's not, 'Oh, they killed Sue Dibney and I always loved that character,' it's 'Oh, they broke a story engine that could have told a thousand stories in order to publish a single 'important' one.'" -- John Seavey


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