Amazing Spider-Man Message Board >> View Post
·
Post By
dave

In Reply To
Starwolf

Subj: Spiderman 3 spoilers [SPOILERS]
Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 at 04:04:07 am EDT
Reply Subj: Two things about what they *don't* use in Spider-Man 3, and why
Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 at 11:37:08 pm EDT

Previous Post

As I don't think talking about what isn't used in Spider-Man 3 needs spoiler space, I won't use spoiler space.

1. The Lizard isn't used as a villain.
In Webslingers, the collection of essays about Spider-Man, one writer mentions that both Norman Osborn and Otto Octavus are guilty of hubris, a kind of blasphemous pride. Norman sees "human evolution" as sometime to be "tapped" like an oil well. Otto says "The power of the sun in the palm of my hand," sounding like Prometheus. While I haven't seen SM3 yet, supposedly Peter himself gets overly prideful once the black costume goes on.
Curt Connors, however, wants to use the lizard formula to help amputee victims regrow lost limbs. Where is the "tampering in God's domain" in that? Heck, the audience would probably be cheering him on before he becomes the Lizard. Unless Raimi tries the whole "Connors has always been in control when he's the Lizard; it's just his excuse for acting like he wants to" theory Paul Jenkins once used.
Anyway, even though the first two movies had the whole "nice guy before the lab accident" villains, Curt Connors may be *too* nice to become a villain. No offense to Dylan Baker, who has played a very convincing bad guy in the past.

2. They don't use what the 90's animated series did: John Jameson finds the symbiote on a space mission and brings it back to earth, the symbiote tries to take over John, which almost makes the shuttle crash in downtown Manhattan. Spider-Man stops the shuttle and saves John and the symbiote bonds to him instead.
Now, if anyone could do a "Spider-Man saves a space shuttle" scene and make it look even cooler than Superman Returns, Sam Raimi could. After all, Spidey can't fly, no head vision, and probably couldn't land the thing in a ballpark without getting crushed himself.
But, not using this scenario to bring the symbiote to earth makes sense: it would be too freaking expensive and push the budget into the $300 million range (if it's not there already).

And in both cases, they have to save something for Spider-Man 4.

> As I don't think talking about what isn't used in Spider-Man 3 needs spoiler space, I won't use spoiler space.
>
> 1. The Lizard isn't used as a villain.
> In Webslingers, the collection of essays about Spider-Man, one writer mentions that both Norman Osborn and Otto Octavus are guilty of hubris, a kind of blasphemous pride. Norman sees "human evolution" as sometime to be "tapped" like an oil well. Otto says "The power of the sun in the palm of my hand," sounding like Prometheus. While I haven't seen SM3 yet, supposedly Peter himself gets overly prideful once the black costume goes on.
> Curt Connors, however, wants to use the lizard formula to help amputee victims regrow lost limbs. Where is the "tampering in God's domain" in that? Heck, the audience would probably be cheering him on before he becomes the Lizard. Unless Raimi tries the whole "Connors has always been in control when he's the Lizard; it's just his excuse for acting like he wants to" theory Paul Jenkins once used.
> Anyway, even though the first two movies had the whole "nice guy before the lab accident" villains, Curt Connors may be *too* nice to become a villain. No offense to Dylan Baker, who has played a very convincing bad guy in the past.

I think Connors will be a villain in the 4th, assuming there is one. Pete has a close relationship with him and that conflict would be interesting. Remember that Connors has a sample of an alien symbiote with the ability to mimic the powers of other organisms. Perhaps Connors will adapt this to reptilian abilities. We'll see. It's a few years off.

>
> 2. They don't use what the 90's animated series did: John Jameson finds the symbiote on a space mission and brings it back to earth, the symbiote tries to take over John, which almost makes the shuttle crash in downtown Manhattan. Spider-Man stops the shuttle and saves John and the symbiote bonds to him instead.
> Now, if anyone could do a "Spider-Man saves a space shuttle" scene and make it look even cooler than Superman Returns, Sam Raimi could. After all, Spidey can't fly, no head vision, and probably couldn't land the thing in a ballpark without getting crushed himself.
> But, not using this scenario to bring the symbiote to earth makes sense: it would be too freaking expensive and push the budget into the $300 million range (if it's not there already).
>

I was ok with the symbiote coming on a meteorite. I would have liked an explanation for why it just happened to land near Peter, but oh well. I can see why the didn't bring John into this movie. It would have been too much. However, I think he could be a good addition to the 4th but they would have to make a change. Since his other half (Man Wolf) is so close the the Lizard in terms of the theme (good guy becomes monster and Spidey has to help him) they would have to make John more of a bad guy. You can't have two good guy villains in a movie. On the other hand, the Lizard and Man Wolf's origins would easily tie together in the movie (using the symbiote sample).

I'm pretty sure that marketing would want a very different looking villain though. The Lizard and Man Wolf could be in the film but one would have to be a throwaway goon and an additional villain would be added. Somebody like Electro with different powers would be prefered.

> And in both cases, they have to save something for Spider-Man 4.

Connors becomes the Lizard and John becomes the Man Wolf and the are both used as pawns by the 3rd villain? Smythe? Toomes? A returned Doc Ock or Osborn? Electro?

How about Morbius? He's into genetics right?


Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 on Windows XP
Alvaro's Comicboards powered by On Topic™ © 2003-2022 Powermad Software
All the content of these boards Copyright © 1996-2022 by Comicboards/TVShowboards. Software Copyright © 2003-2022 Powermad Software