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dave

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Tom

Subj: Re: Thanks Alot, Avi Arad! ***Spider-man 3 Spoilers***
Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 at 07:28:24 pm EDT
Reply Subj: Re: Thanks Alot, Avi Arad! ***Spider-man 3 Spoilers***
Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 at 07:03:12 pm EDT

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> > Alas, Spider-man 3 is, in my opinion, nowhere near as good as SM2. I still enjoyed the movie. It could have been worse. But the most painful thing to watch is that there was actually a pretty good story in there buried under the crap that "Marketing" piled on. I could see this being the chapter that really defines Peter's moral character--the good guy who chooses not to use the bad guy methods. Unfortunately, somebody with a lot of influence insisted that Venom get shoe-horned into the story. You would think that everybody would know their Clone-Saga history and understand the consequences of marketing dictating to the creative elements. This movie could have been so much better. I hope Raimi comes back to do a fourth installment and I hope Arad stays out of his way so he can do a true movie "for the fans."
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> You are so right. Spiderman 1-2 AWESOME movies. Spiderman 3- BIT THE BIG ONE

I'm not sure I agree with "bit the big one" but I did think this was a pretty weak movie with some really good parts.

What really struck a cord with me was Venom though. I thought the movie was good right up until the point where the black costume showed up. Between that point and the final battle it went from bad...to worse...to just embarrassing. I'm sorry but when you start copying plot points from the Mask you've crossed a line.

Also, I thought the script missed the point of Venom. If you make him just a random bad guy he isn't that interesting. The whole reason Eddie Brock Venom is worth reading/watching is because he thinks he's a good guy.

One last point, there were quite a few "the director just didn't think this through" moments that really hurt the movie for me. A few that stood out...

When Peter saves Gwen but doesn't do anything about the crane gone wild

When Peter confronts Sandman in the armored car without first stopping the car from its driverless rampage

When Peter, having seen MJ held hostage, takes the time to slowly pull out his costume from under his bed and slowly remove the costume from its box

Anyway, I did enjoy it, but when I buy it on DVD there will definately be some liberal use of the Fast Forward button.



> I'm not sure I agree with "bit the big one" but I did think this was a pretty weak movie with some really good parts.
>
> What really struck a cord with me was Venom though. I thought the movie was good right up until the point where the black costume showed up. Between that point and the final battle it went from bad...to worse...to just embarrassing. I'm sorry but when you start copying plot points from the Mask you've crossed a line.
>

But that's what actually happened with the black costume. Perhaps the Mask copied it.

> Also, I thought the script missed the point of Venom. If you make him just a random bad guy he isn't that interesting. The whole reason Eddie Brock Venom is worth reading/watching is because he thinks he's a good guy.
>

Completely disagree. That was added later. In the beginning, Venom hated Pete for ruining him just like he did in the movie. If they would have jumped right into the Lethal Protector mode than they would have completely changed his origin.

> One last point, there were quite a few "the director just didn't think this through" moments that really hurt the movie for me. A few that stood out...
>
> When Peter saves Gwen but doesn't do anything about the crane gone wild
>

yeah, wtf? did the power finally get killed?

> When Peter confronts Sandman in the armored car without first stopping the car from its driverless rampage
>

Heh. I didn't notice.

> When Peter, having seen MJ held hostage, takes the time to slowly pull out his costume from under his bed and slowly remove the costume from its box
>

Man, I must just not think about these things.

> Anyway, I did enjoy it, but when I buy it on DVD there will definately be some liberal use of the Fast Forward button.
>


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