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Menshevik

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Macgargan

Subj: Re: Spider-Man Vs Wolverine #1 discussion ( 20+ yr old SPOILERS )
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 at 03:23:31 am EST (Viewed 131 times)
Reply Subj: Spider-Man Vs Wolverine #1 discussion ( 20+ yr old SPOILERS )
Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 at 11:30:26 pm EST (Viewed 160 times)


> A thread below made me think of this, why not give your opinions on this issue?
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> To me, it's prominent for two reasons, one VERY big one.
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> 1. Ned Leeds death. A pivotal moment in the Spider-Saga.

It meant a lot at the time, not least because a few months later it was revealed that Ned was the Hobgoblin (a revelation later sacrificed on the altar of Roger Stern's ego). Within the story it was actually kind of a WTF moment for me to see his corpse. With Ned not the Hobgoblin his death was a bit of a waste of a long-running supporting character for a momentary shock, for the purposes of the story the same effect could have been achieved even with an entirely newly created character in the part of the Bugle reporter.
As it was first published, we had a situation where a not unimportant player in the Hobgoblin mystery/gang war storyline (involving the Rose, the Kingpin, the Foreigner et al.) that was boiling to a conclusion in 1987 suddenly taken off the board for the sake of a momentary shock in a completely unrelated one-shot story set thousands of miles away.
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> 2. Spidey kills someone. Not through inaction or accident ( sort of ), bit by hitting a normal person so hard he essentially pulps her.
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> Obviously he was set-up to do this by Wolverine and Charlie, the latter choosing death over a life in captivity, but the fact remains that Spidey kills someone with his bare hands, the only time I can ever recall that happening.

I saw it as an accident on Peter's part - he was no more to blame for it than the driver of a car or a train is if someone deliberately throws herself/himself in its path and there is not enough time/space to break to a halt. Peter was used as Charlie's unwilling accessory in suicide.
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> Oh yeah, anyone else agree that Spidey totally kicked Logan's ass in this? \:\)

The way it was written Peter came close to dying (with MJ's name on his lips).

For me the most interesting thing about the story was the subplot with Peter and Mary Jane where it became clear that they were a lot more than just friends, even if on the final page they went back to that pretense and Priest later tried to deny it.

At the time I even wrote a letter to Marvel, but that was over none of this but in fact dealt with the most blatant factual errors in the story's portrayal of East and West Berlin. I even included some newspaper clippings to show what German police uniforms really look like. \:\-\)


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