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Menshevik

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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In Reply To
Mr Honey Bunny

Subj: Some underlying problems
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 at 05:05:08 am EST (Viewed 139 times)
Reply Subj: 1001 wrong things about the current Spider-Man
Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 at 04:25:49 pm EST (Viewed 291 times)


I'd say one of the main problem with the current ASM is that is almost entirely plot-driven. Spider-Man became the great feature it was because it was character-driven, because plots were shaped in part by the characters of the participants. Now characters and even parts of reality are tailored to suit the writers' plots.
For instance:
Peter never had problems in keeping up a supply so web-fluid. In AF #15, he was a 15-year-old for whom $ 100 (the prize for defeating Crusher Hogan) was a lot of money, yet he managed to whip up the web formula, construct a pair of web-shooters and create a pretty fancy costume on his limited budget. The chemicals were clearly easily affordable to high school students, yet for the sake of the plot of BND the costs without warning exploded so as to become prohibitive to Peter. (Also very implausible: Peter's photographs are what stood between the Daily Bugle and insolvency, yet he was unable to get a job at another newspaper).

Up until recently, "Tiger" was what MJ called Peter in private and "you just hit the jackpot" was a private phrase between them, now the entire Jackpot story is built on them being publicly-known trademarks of MJ's public persona for an appreciable time.

Harry Osborn's new personality.

Another problem is that the ill-named brain trust seems to be obsessed with making every plot a mystery. Talk about any significant aspect of the BND Spider-Man and the writers' apologists will answer: "It's too early to comment" or variation thereof. This really amounts to a declaration of bankruptcy IMO - instead stories interesting in themselves, we see apologists of the current writers pontificating about narrative theory and the personality defects of readers who do not enjoy them (because it is self-evident that you have to be deluded or morally depraved not to be overwhelmed by the sheer awesome-itude of BND). As far as I gather none of the serious questions left over from OMD have yet been addressed, while BND created a slew of new mysteries, most of which have not been resolved either (with the exception of the Jackpot thing). Worse, a lot of mysteries are not really mysteries in-story, they are things to which Peter knows the answer but where the contrived dialogue prevents readers from knowing as well. There is now such an overload of mysteries and loose threads that I wonder if a lot of people are as interested in finding out the solutions as they were half a year ago. And of course this does no favour to many characters involved, because mystery characters often have to remain cyphers in order to maintain the mystery (this happened before with the Hobgoblin, but with Jackpot it was even more pronounced).

On another track:
Back in the old days, before the all-knowing Mr. Brevoort determined that Spider-Man was about youth, the big theme of Spider-Man was responsibility. OMD changed that as Peter turned to Mephisto to help him out of a jam of his own making. Readers would of course hope that this would remain a one-off exception to the expectation of Peter either coming up with a solution on his own or experiencing a tragic failure, but BND soon disabused them of that notion. Clearly in the meantime Peter turned to another powerful daddy figure (after Daddy Mephisto) to once again remove a big problem - people knowing his secret ID - through the wave of a magic (or comic-book science amped to the point of parody) wand. This is not just bad writing, it leaves readers at a loss why they should worry about anything serious happening in ASM in the future when widdle Peter can turn to some super-daddy to help him out of his next predicament? BTW, I love the dishonest "we" Peter used in NWTD with reference to making people ignorant of his ID. Peter, I've been reading your adventures for decades, I know your superpowers and scientific knowledge, your part in the "we" consisted of "can you help me out of this mess, pleeeeez?" and then standing back while Loki, Mr. Fantastic, the Sentinel or whoever did the actual work. Well, maybe you made yourself useful by making coffee...

> Here is my none definite list of things that I find to be completely wrong with the current stories, feel free to add more :
>
> * It appears Mephisto isn't the one who've made Pete's ID a secret again (in ASM 569),as Peter is aware of "someone" who helped him, then :
>
> 1- How come Norman doesn't find that Peter is Spider-Man since :
> A- He should remember killing Gwen Stacy, girlfriend of Peter Parker
> B- He should remember giving her two kids to make them his heir
> C- He should remember telling the kids Peter is their father and Spider-Man killed their mother
> D- He should remember helping Miles Warren at creating clones of both Peter and Gwen
> E- He should remember he kidnapped baby May, the daughter of MJ and Peter
>
> Now, remembering all these things, how come he can't see Peter is Spider-Man ?!?!
>
> If he doesn't remember these things ... oh well, why wouldn't he remember these ?
>
> * Tony Stark MUST be the one who helped Peter at making everybody forget he is spider-man, or else :
>
> A- Why doesn't he try to stop Spider-Man since he isn't registered ?
> B- Why did he let Peter and his family live amoung the Avengers for months ?
>
> * If Tony Stark, or anyone else, is behind the fact everybody forget Peter is Spidey, and Peter is aware of it ... why us, readers, aren't aware anyway ? I thought a mystery was a mystery ONLY when BOTH readers and the main character AREN'T AWARE. (for instance Menace's ID)
>
> * Harry is back, and now it seems Mephisto has nothing to do with it either ... fine. How come then we never see Peter, Harry, Norman, Carlie or Lily talking about the fact Harry faked his own death years ago ? Like with the secret ID, it's not a mystery if Peter is already aware of what happened. WE SHOULD KNOW BY NOW.
>
> * With everybody not remembering who's Spider-Man is, I assume they don't remember the unmasking either. If they do remember, then why nobody seem to care about the reason they can't remember his face ? Why nobody questioning Peter about it since he is close to Spidey ? (The SHIELD should be bothered with all the newspapers and recordings of Spidey's unmasking disapearing for instance !)
>
> * Joe Quesada told us "no more married Peter". Then, since I can't wonder anymore if it "will be the one" amoung all the new girls in Peter's life, why would I bother ? We already know all of them will just be new "Marcy Kane" or "Debra Withman".
>
> * Jackpot was revealed in ASM 551 as being Sara Ehret. Sara Ehret was revealed in ASM 561 to be just ANOTHER MJ fan ... so what was the point of waiting all these months and this annual if, in the end, Jackpot is Sara Ehret who is an MJ fan ! lol We already knew these things.
>
> * Jackpot powers come from MGH. Though, since House of M, MGH doesn't work anymore unless it comes from one of the remaining 198 mutants. So, who the hell gave his DNA ?!
>
> * in NWTD, Eddie Brock is becoming Anti-Venom while McGargan is STILL Venom ... WTH ? They could have given back the symbiote to Eddie while McGargan could have stayed that Symbiotic Scorpion, at least, he would be partly the Scorpion again. Instead we had a lame Anti-Venom which readers seem to already hate and we're stucked with Gargan who has always been lame as Venom since he has no motivation at being Venom.
>
> That's, on top of my head, a few things I would called wrong with the current ASM. I'm sure there's plenty others and I might add more later.
>
> You are welcomed to add yours.



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