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Subj: Re: all poor writing
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 at 03:56:35 pm EST
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 at 03:36:57 pm EST

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> I just never saw it. She was just there. Go Tiger. I need to act. There there Peter. Oh boo hoo I hate this life. Let me smoke it away. Let me look sexy. I hate this life Peter. There there Peter. Let me look sexy. Look I got captured by a villian. Can someone name one good Mary Jane story in the past twenty years?

The comic is supposed to be about Peter. MJ's just a supporting character for him. And she was a damn good one until Marvel's writing went south in the 90's(which corresponded with the marriage). The writers just didn't know what to do with her after they got married.

Y'know people lives change as they age. Often friends you have in college and high school go their separate ways, and new friends and colleagues show up on the scene. But the writers kept trying to recycle Flash and Harry and Liz etc.(and Aunt May for god's sake - relatives do actually die). With Spiderman joining the Avengers, his friendships should have involved Johnny Storm, Matt Murdoch, Clint Barton and other peers he worked with. In that context, MJ would have done very well(think of how it would have gone over with Hawkeye and the Torch to have Spiderman married to a fashion model). The stories could have been great. But that would have required writers with vision. And the industry hasn't had that since John Byrne.

And what's really patronizing, is Marvel's rationalization for getting rid of the marriage. Apparently the 15-24 year old demographic just couldn't relate to Spiderman being married(it couldn't be the writing, oh no no it wasn't that). They didn't see themselves in a character that mature, so were turned off by it. And god forbid that Peter get a divorce, because if the young can't handle a marriage then how will they handle a divorced superhero(thus enters the entirely ridiculous Mephisto angle). Now, I'm pushing 40, but I do remember reading comics in my teens. And, believe it or not, I wasn't looking for myself in these characters, so I don't believe this generation is that shallow. I could read Batman even though he wasn't my age, and had gobs more money than me. But maybe I'm wrong. I'd like to here from the members of this board who are in that demographic. Did MJ have to go because you're all not capable of relating to a character who is married, or is it because the writing for her was just so dreadful, that she became a lost cause.

I'm responded below and said something similar to you. I'm in my teens and I liked Peter and Mary Jane's marriage. Personally, I don't think she had to go at all... the writing was bad in the 90's but I thought that their marriage had recently been written fairly well (even when the overall plots weren't working).

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