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Subj: Re: Lesbian.
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 04:24:27 am EST (Viewed 68 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Lesbian.
Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 at 10:43:40 pm EST (Viewed 1 times)

> > > > Y'know, I have to admit, that sounds so plausible; it's probably too logical a concept to ever be tried. ;\)
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> > > > It's so easy to imagine Marvel releasing cover artwork featuring MJ kissing Felicia Hardy, and then sitting back while the internet "cracks in half." It would be a frenzy.
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> > > > Heh.
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> > > > *Wraith
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> > > Although I agree with the idea that if MJ turned gay it would firmly establish that Peter and MJ won’t be getting back together, and therefore will give a huge push to making the fans move on from the Peter + Mary Jane relationship/marriage, I have to disagree with the notion of if MJ went into another hereto relationship she will be seen as a ‘slut’ or ‘the bad guy’.
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> > Actually, why would MJ turning gay "firmly establish that Peter and MJ won't be getting back together"?
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> > How would you convincingly establish that MJ had turned 100 percent lesbian and was not in fact a bisexual woman who first fell in love with Peter and after their marriage was satanically divorced entered a lesbian relationship with another woman but who could just as well have entered a heterosexual one with some man? And with a bisexual MJ there would still be hope of her and Peter getting back at some point in the future.
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> > In alternate timelines and futures that are firmly grounded in a situation like the one we had in ASM pre-OMD(1), Peter and Mary Jane's marriage and relationship was very strong indeed. In the MC-2 Universe (Spider-Girl), Peter and MJ are a happy couple married for almost twenty years (AFAIK) now, while in the futures seen in ASM #500 and Spider-Man: Reign, Mary Jane was true to Peter until her death. So readers (especially if they like Peter and MJ as a couple) would naturally conclude that under normal conditions Mary Jane would continue to love Peter and that any break-up would be merely temporary. Also, if you worked in the "MJ-turns-gay" plot under the current status quo, the conclusion that her new-found lesbianism was caused by Mephisto could really not be avoided. People who think that Mephisto breaking up Peter and Mary Jane's marriage is Wrong and should be reversed will have no reason not to think the same thing about Mary Jane's new sexuality.
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> > (1) There is a lesbian Mary Jane (Spider-Woman) in an alternate reality seen in Exiles, but she always was lesbian and was never romantically involved with Peter Parker.
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> > > While we’re on the topic, I don’t see MJ turning Gay. I never got that vibe. Even now as I try to picture it (as nice as the imagery is) it still doesn’t go together. Black Cat I can.
> > > Hasn’t she come out as Bi-sexual recently? I wasn’t too surprised that that revelation, somehow it fits her. I don’t know why…
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> > Felicia was established as living in a lesbian relationship with a former employee called Diana in Spider-Girl years ago, after which there were a couple of references to her bisexuality in comics set in the 616 reality.
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> First off, the whole suggestion of MJ was not my idea, and I was responding to the thread suggesting this possibility. And I said that if MJ turn GAY, it would "firmly establish that Peter and MJ won't be getting back together" because Mary Jane will no longer be attracted to Males. This would mean that Peter and MJ will never get back together again.
> I agree with you 100% about if MJ turned BI, it would still leave the possibility of Peter and MJ getting back together. Actually I prefer this option, as it would let us explore whole new stories and everything will come full circle if Peter and Mary Jane get back together again.
> I really don’t like the idea of MJ turning BI/Gay due to Mephisto/The Devil manipulating her. I think that could unintentionally send out the wrong message, that would indicate that Homosexuality is ‘evil’ and ‘the work of the devil’ etc. To me that sort of thinking is absolutely ridiculous. I also believe that for Marvel Comics that would be a PR Corporate nightmare. If MJ does turns BI/Gay it should be solely from her own feelings/decisions, NOT due to Mephisto.

Well, duh, but how do you prove conclusively that it wasn't due to Mephisto in-story? That is the problem, and because you see that in realities that were not affected by Mephisto the Parker-Watson marriage succeeded happily until MJ's death (ASM #500, Spider-Man: Reign) or until a present set about twenty years after the wedding (Spider-Girl) with no hint of any bisexual leanings it does kind of require a leap of faith to discount Mephisto as probable cause of MJ's changed sexuality.

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