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Menshevik

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Michael

Subj: Re: Sins Past: Would it REALLY have been a good idea for Peter to be the father?
Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 05:18:08 am EDT (Viewed 120 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Sins Past: Would it REALLY have been a good idea for Peter to be the father?
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 07:57:57 pm EDT (Viewed 21 times)



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    Peter's been implied to have had premarital sex before- with Felicia, for example. As for protection, it's possible Peter used protection and the condom broke, or something. With Peter's luck, even if he used some form of protection that only failed one in a billion times, it would fail on him.
    I don't think that it would be considered taking advantage of Gwen to sleep with her, say, three months after her father died.
    However, there are a couple of troubling issues. One is that Gwen blamed Spider-Man for her father's death. Would it be ethical for Peter to sleep with her when she would not knowingly sleep with Spider-Man? Remember, Tony Stark slept with Jan while lying to her about being Iron Man, and that's been used as the basis of many of his later portrayals as a jerk (e.g.Civil War).


Yup, Peter was implied to have had sex before, and indeed many Gwendyphiles were convinced that this was also the case for Gwen and Peter. Whether sleeping with Gwen three months after her father's death is to be considered taking advantage of her is up to the individual reader to decide.
And of course with the kind of sensitivities that have developed since the 1960s and 1970s one has to question how far one can take a romantic relationship with someone without revealing that one is a superhero. If you believes that your love interest would reject you if s/he knew about your secret, then it can be argued that having sex with them or marrying them would be unethical. Given that Gwen in general seemed to fear Spider-Man and especially when she blamed him for her father's death, Peter sleeping with Gwen would have been even more problematic than Tony Stark sleeping with Jan, who liked both Tony and Iron Man, but was squicked to discover they were one and the same.


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    The second issue is, why wouldn't Gwen TELL Peter if the kids were Peter's? I can't think of a reason.


Me neither.


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    Also, did MJ know the kids were Peter's in JMS's original scenario? Because if she knew and didn't tell Peter, then she pretty much crossed the Moral Event Horizon.


For me the MJ aspect was the most troubling of "Sins Past". And it didn't even make sense that Gwen would confide in her of all people, since they were never portrayed as that close friends. I suppose JMS needed someone to act as a witness to events and was too lazy to go to the trouble of bringing in an additional character (e. g. a hitherto unknown friend of Gwen or even one of her relatives).

All in all, Marvel's editorial really was asleep at the wheel when that story was written. They probably would have been better off revealing the twins as the kids of the Gwen clone and another Peter Parker clone.


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