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Jeremiah Ecks

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Subj: Re: About Carlie Cooper
Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 04:41:49 am EST (Viewed 94 times)
Reply Subj: Re: About Carlie Cooper
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 at 08:14:45 am EST (Viewed 126 times)

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    When they KNOW the fanbase is torn on "who should our hero be with?" plots like this, having the old love-interest turn into a gushing shill for the new one is the most absolutely obnoxious thing the writer can do, saying "Look, see how much better this is, because I said so, and I can abuse my power to even have the old love-interest agree with me!"


It's not just a matter of being obnoxious. This is something writers sometimes do when they've failed to properly demonstrate why something is the way it is. It's as if they've written "2 + 2 = 5," and then, rather that correct it as "2 + 2 = 4," instead go to great lengths to prove that 2 + 2 really does equal 5.

I can't speak too much to this as it applies to Carlie Cooper. I've read quite a bit with the character, and all I can say is that, in the issues I've read, there's been no indication of a spark or real connection or interest between Peter and Carlie, except in that she seemed to exist for that purpose. I don't think she's a terribly interesting character, but maybe that's changed in the most recent issues I haven't read.

But if something is going to develop, and a decision is going to be made, you have to build to it, or else the decision feels wrong. It's one of the basic elements of writing fiction. When you see another character corroborate a decision that feels wrong, it's usually laziness more than obnoxiousness. It's trying to fix the surface without digging deeper and addressing the real problem.

-Comp



Now, Comp old bean, it's posts like this that make me remember why I think yo so coolio.

You're completely right, as is Reptile-Man and the others. Carlie would be more palatable if a) 'the moment had been prepared for' or b) MJ was running going 'ohh, ohh, Carlie is so perfect.'

Let's cut to the chase, here. Mary Jane got witchy with Gwen Mooey Stacy, who was very clearly The Perfect Girl for Peter. Mary Jane kept sniping at her, despite the fact that if you were to ever ask MJ, she'd give anything to have Gwen and Peter back together. MJ is very catty. She might know someone is 'right' - there's an argument to be made that even Felicia is a better fit than MJ - but have you noticed, MJ has never ever said to anybody that they make a better partner than her? Not even St. Gwen.

If the writers have to be bend over backwards and tell us that we should care, then something, somewhere is wrong. Slott says it's 'too many cooks' syndrome - I'm 50% inclined to agree with him, but my other 50% says it's because nobody a) wants to read a relationship we're 100% sure is doomed to fail one day and b) wants the travesty of One More Pay-Check to be upheld.

-Jeremiah Ecks,
who rewatched the movie where he got his name from again last night. It is so bad!!! So that makes it awesome!



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