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The Green Ninjas

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KaineParker

Subj: You can't ever take my hope away.
Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 09:02:06 pm EST (Viewed 82 times)
Reply Subj: Re: I know. Why would they do that?
Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 10:05:47 am EST (Viewed 75 times)

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You could very easily ask the same question about Macendale...why? Why would a writer go through the trouble to bring him back? He was distintegrated, for god's sakes. Apologies to Green Ninjas, but there is no serious demand for him to return. He was just a mercenary, and a second rate hobgoblin. It would be like people demanding the return of Blackie Drago as the Vulture. Roderick Kingsley is the real Hobgoblin just like Adrian Toomes is the real Vulture. Also, Kingsley wasn't dead. If the 'Kingsley' name thrown out by Kingpin turns out to be a red herring (and I highly doubt it will), I would be shocked if it turned out to be Macendale.

KaineParker

> You could very easily ask the same question about Macendale...why? Why would a writer go through the trouble to bring him back?

Because he was the longest-running Hobgoblin, and the Spidey books have had a gaping void in the "super-mercenary" area of Peter's rogues gallery ever since? And because he's never not entertaining?

>He was distintegrated, for god's sakes.

So? Colossus was cremated, and oh look, there he is on the X-Men again. Death is meaningless in comics. If the Spidey books have brought back characters who 'enjoyed' deaths that were recognised classics, like Norman and Harry Osborn, Aunt May and Kraven, you can't draw an imaginary line in the sand and say that Jason's death is the only one you're going to make inviolable. Come on, the freaking Spot died THREE TIMES in the last decade, and keeps coming back with NO EXPLANATION AT ALL! So why not, right?

> Apologies to Green Ninjas, but there is no serious demand for him to return.

I'm serious, and I'm demanding. Fifteen years of hurt has been far more than enough.

> He was just a mercenary,

....and that's a bad thing....why?

> and a second rate hobgoblin.

By what standard? If you're measuring him by the standard of "being a criminal mastermind", he was never meant to be one, and his win/lose ratio is a lot better than the Internets ever seems to give him credit for.

> It would be like people demanding the return of Blackie Drago as the Vulture. Roderick Kingsley is the real Hobgoblin just like Adrian Toomes is the real Vulture.

Except Adrian Toomes was the Vulture from Day One, and we knew that from Day One. In contrast, the Hobgoblin was a masked mystery man from Day One, and thanks to writer turnover, the plan for who he was meant to be changed at least three times before he was unmasked. And then he was dead, and Jason was the new Hobgoblin, from 1987-1996, far longer than Blackie Drago's few issues, and got a lot of characterisation and development in that time, far more than anyone was able to give a masked mystery man.

He was a villain who was appearing on a yearly basis, was the most prolific Spidey villain of the 1990s, and then he was casually killed off so we could have the "original Hobgoblin" back, for all of 6 issues, and he was unmasked as painfully obscure character, and a poor man's Norman Osborn, no less. And then, no more Hobgoblin. Is it that hard to see why someone might have more attachment to the guy who was around longer, and got more characterisation?

It's less like "demanding Blackie Drago instead of Adrian Toomes to be the Vulture", and more like "demanding Bukharin rather than Vanko to be Crimson Dynamo". Dude may not be the first, but he was there longest, and got the most characterisation.

> Also, Kingsley wasn't dead.

Well, there was that, I suppose. And his plethora of appearances over the years since 1998 have shown just what a good choice to be the Hobgoblin he was for Marvel.

> If the 'Kingsley' name thrown out by Kingpin turns out to be a red herring (and I highly doubt it will), I would be shocked if it turned out to be Macendale.

So would I, but (until now, anyway), I could hope, right? You can't take that away from me. YOU CAN NEVER TAKE MY HOPE, INTERNETS PEOPLE!


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