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Jeremiah Ecks

Subj: Re: Nightwatch Appreciation Thread
Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 at 09:55:11 pm EST (Viewed 81 times)
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    I have a bizarre, morbid-fascination with Nightwatch, despite his debut storyline literally making my brain hurt.


Look, with all due respect dude, you think Macendale is the better Hobgoblin. We already know you're crazy. \:\) \:\) \:\) \:\)
Joking aside, Nightwatch is clearly Spawn-Lite, but like any character, there aren't bad characters - just badly written ones - and Nightwatch, in the right hand, could have been interesting enough. I would have liked to have seen him in a team book as a Vision-style character.


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    I tracked down his entire solo series the other year, but I still have to get around to reading it all, which I need to make time to do, because the final issues have that 'Warbringer' guy who's just so 1990s it's awesome.


Uhm... That is the first and last time 1990s and awesome will be used in the same sentence again. \:\)
Although personally, I think the 90's are underrated and are chock full of good comics.


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    But remember how he randomly showed up towards the end of Maximum Carnage? And in the final chapter, he and Morbius are just sitting on a rooftop? I know I'd buy a Nightwatch & Morbius book. Especially if they just sit on rooftops and complain about their lives.


I particularly loathe Morbius with a strong passion, so count me out. But I remember Nightwatch showing up - it was the first time I ever saw him, busting in to save Venom at the Statue of Liberty. I didn't know who the hel he was, so I was like 'why has this guy randomly appeared out of nowhere?'. Plus I was reading the parts out of order which doesn't help either.


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    I did actually like that issue, despite it killing Nightwatch, and Polestar. The reveal of who was sponsoring Spidey in 'The Great Game' was nice, and El Toro Rojo got an impressively nasty comeuppance.


I don't remember the issue beyond Polestar and Nightwatch dying. I remember thinking Nightwatch's death was very cheap but worth killing someone to make the game look good. But Nightwatch looked stronger than someone like ETN taking him out, frankly. So I don't remember Spidey's Sponsor. Was it JJJ?


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    Well, it's certainly not ever been addressed in a comic, but it might have been done in a handbook, for the sake of wrapping up the time-loop, but nothing I've ever seen would suggest Nightwatch was capable of time-travel under his own power.


Well, that's the interesting thing isn't it? We don't know anything about the suit, really.


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    I'm going with "Nightwatch's death left the time-loop incomplete, ripping a hole in the fabric of space/time, that will gradually grow to consume the planet".


Then Galvatron will stand there, scream a fair bit, have his face blasted off, created carnage in the name of Furmanism until the hole consumes him and the Time Wars end.

-Jeremiah Ecks,
who can't resist to push his favourite TF of all time. \:\)


> > I have a bizarre, morbid-fascination with Nightwatch, despite his debut storyline literally making my brain hurt.

> Look, with all due respect dude, you think Macendale is the better Hobgoblin. We already know you're crazy. \:\) \:\) \:\) \:\)

Yeah, preferring the well-developed character who held the identity for longest, over the masked mystery man, only in comics fandom would I be the "crazy" one.

Anyways, "morbid fascination" and "like" are two different things. I also have a morbid fascination with World War 2, and with Elvis impersonators, but I wouldn't consider myself fans of them.

> Joking aside, Nightwatch is clearly Spawn-Lite,

It's weird. Visually, he so totally is, but the character behind the costume is nothing alike at all. You'd think Marvel would've been petty enough to just do a straight-up Spawn knock-off.

> but like any character, there aren't bad characters - just badly written ones -

That's not quite 100% true, you can usually spot the genuine bad character by how hard some writer is forcing them down the audience's throat.

> and Nightwatch, in the right hand, could have been interesting enough. I would have liked to have seen him in a team book as a Vision-style character.

He's definitely the kind of guy I'd have liked to see someone bring back and make something of, instead he's usually just like a half-remembered punchline to jokes about early-1990s Marvel.

> > I tracked down his entire solo series the other year, but I still have to get around to reading it all, which I need to make time to do, because the final issues have that 'Warbringer' guy who's just so 1990s it's awesome.

> Uhm... That is the first and last time 1990s and awesome will be used in the same sentence again. \:\)
> Although personally, I think the 90's are underrated and are chock full of good comics.

Since you all already think I'm crazy, I feel no shame in admitting my love for early 1990s comics. It was probably the time when the age-gap between the creators and the audience was at it's smallest, they knew what the audience wanted, and comics were actually bringing in new, teenage, readers, and that stuff was addictive like crack to us. Yes, sometimes they did stupid stuff, but the stories were moving forwards, and they had heart. Warts and all, they were making things happen, and doing stuff, more than undoing stuff.

I really think that the "bad 1990s" are the 2nd half of the decade, when superhero comics started retreating into retro-revivals and moving everything backwards, and the target-audience wasn't the young and the new readers anymore, it was 30-somethings, and nobody has ever figured out that they've got to try and turn this around somehow.

> > But remember how he randomly showed up towards the end of Maximum Carnage? And in the final chapter, he and Morbius are just sitting on a rooftop? I know I'd buy a Nightwatch & Morbius book. Especially if they just sit on rooftops and complain about their lives.

> I particularly loathe Morbius with a strong passion, so count me out.

Weirdly, I don't care about Morbius at all (and can largely thank the 1990s cartoon for that), but team him up with Nightwatch, and it has real odd-couple potential, I think.

> But I remember Nightwatch showing up - it was the first time I ever saw him, busting in to save Venom at the Statue of Liberty. I didn't know who the hel he was, so I was like 'why has this guy randomly appeared out of nowhere?'. Plus I was reading the parts out of order which doesn't help either.

Yeah, the Marvel UK series that reprinted Maximum Carnage (which took us 7 months, and I was still sad when it ended) had dropped Web of Spider-Man and Spider-Man, so they could give us classic ASM reprints, plus Spidey 2099 and "Motormouth & Killpower" instead (OK, maybe there's some early-1990s comics I don't care for...), so we'd never seen Nightwatch's debut, and here he is out of nowhere.

> > I did actually like that issue, despite it killing Nightwatch, and Polestar. The reveal of who was sponsoring Spidey in 'The Great Game' was nice, and El Toro Rojo got an impressively nasty comeuppance.

> I don't remember the issue beyond Polestar and Nightwatch dying. I remember thinking Nightwatch's death was very cheap but worth killing someone to make the game look good. But Nightwatch looked stronger than someone like ETN taking him out, frankly. So I don't remember Spidey's Sponsor. Was it JJJ?

That's right. And by the time of that issue, I hadn't seen Nightwatch since Maximum Carnage, I barely remembered the guy. It wasn't until later I learned he had his own solo book for a year.

I think there was a new Polestar since, in "New Thunderbolts", but he may have died since?

> > Well, it's certainly not ever been addressed in a comic, but it might have been done in a handbook, for the sake of wrapping up the time-loop, but nothing I've ever seen would suggest Nightwatch was capable of time-travel under his own power.

> Well, that's the interesting thing isn't it? We don't know anything about the suit, really.

Except how much it looks like Spawn.

> > I'm going with "Nightwatch's death left the time-loop incomplete, ripping a hole in the fabric of space/time, that will gradually grow to consume the planet".

> Then Galvatron will stand there, scream a fair bit, have his face blasted off, created carnage in the name of Furmanism until the hole consumes him and the Time Wars end.

> -Jeremiah Ecks,
> who can't resist to push his favourite TF of all time. \:\)

And thank you for getting what I was talking about. I think I may actually have cried when Galvatron met his fate there.


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