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Subj: Some Reasons for the Back-and-Forth
Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 at 08:56:46 am EST (Viewed 138 times)
Reply Subj: Re: This may not be popular but I'll say it anyway
Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 at 08:03:53 am EST (Viewed 142 times)

    To my recollection it's the discussion element that was the problem. On one hand, you'd have people making blanket statements without any inclination to defend or discuss, resulting ultimately in personal animosity versus actual debate. And the other issue, if I'm remembering right, is that we reached a point where virtually every thread, no matter what it was actually about, would drift into the same angry back-and-forth about "One More Day" and "Brand New Day." And that became exhausting, no matter what side of the debate you happened to fall on.


Oh, no doubt about it, there was an awful lot of back-and-forth, partly due to the fact that for several years Marvel simply refused to answer most of the questions raised by OMD and the ca. 3-month gap between OMD and BND(1) with the BS excuse that there were so many important things they had to tell in BND that they simply had no time and space to address any of them (for roughly three years). Important things meaning e. g. Jackpot the dead herring. So every little crumb of information we got (a lot of it out-of-story via creators' and editors' interviews and therefore of dubious use) was micro-examined by the fans and since in the most case these crumbs did not actually provide enough info to significantly affect the picture that already existed when BND began, so unsurprisingly debates wound up becoming repeats of those of December 2007 and January 2008.

One factor was that many of the OMD/BND sceptics would look at a story with underlying questions like "Is this good enough to justify the derailment that occurred in OMD?" and "Could this story have worked with Spider-Man still married?", while among the BND fans there were those who wanted to enjoy the new stuff so much that they blanked out OMD and therefore disliked it when these questions were posed. (OTOH they were quick to seize upon stuff that clearly had nothing to do with the Mephisto retcon to proclaim OMD/BND a success, e. g. the return of thought bubbles and the thrice-monthly ASM replacing the three parallel Spidey books).

And of course another problem was that there was so little else being discussed here. E. g. at the time I really enjoyed Ultimate Spider-Man, but it wasn't mentioned on this board much.

(1) AFAIK some of them are still not answered, e. g. "What happened to the organic webshooters and the "Other" powers?". Also AFAIK, the fanon contention that MJ never became pregnant during the OMDized Clone Saga is only something people inferred from the obsessive and out-of-character connection Quesada!MJ made between marriage and having children in OMIT (and nowhere else).

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