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Subj: Re: Steve Ditko estate seeks to reclaim Spider-man and Dr Strange rights
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 at 04:13:29 am EDT (Viewed 133 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Steve Ditko estate seeks to reclaim Spider-man and Dr Strange rights
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 at 12:44:26 am EDT (Viewed 101 times)

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    I don't think you even have to go that deep into it.

    One person doing everything for a character is a great story. That guy getting screwed out of credit is an even better one. That is why the legend that Stan Lee stole credit for everything from Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko has become so popular... it is a good story.

    Unfortunately, neither one of their solo work bares any reality to that claim. Both were good idea men, Ditko a good plotter, but both were God awful with character.

    Kirby's dialogue is especially bad, and I personally find his return to Captain America in the 70s un-f###ing-readable.

    Ditko tried to recreate Spider-Man twice. Once with Blue Beetle (who was a far cry from what Dematteis and Giffen turned him into) and with teenage characters Hawk and Dove.

    Both had interesting plots, and Hawk and Dove a cool idea, but the characters were a little flat.

    Maybe Ditko believed he got wronged, or just never bothered to openly correct things.

Spider-Man became a much more altruistic character that Ditko was probably comfortable being associated with. IIRC, Ditko got more into Objectivism after Spider-Man was created.

In my own humble opinion, the discussion of objectivism vs altruism can make for a good theme within a story. Unfortunately, Steve Ditko never seemed to be interested in the discussion. Judging by his work (and what I've been able to learn about him) he seemed to want to take readers by the hand and lead them to the conclusion that objectivism was a better choice.

    Siegel and Shuster won a lawsuit saying they should get credit. Well, Ditko gets credit. Even back in the day, he got credit... some of the early spider-man books even went so far as to point out that he plotted the story.

Yes Siegel and Shuster deserved credit for Superman. Until very recently only Bob Kane received full credit for Batman. Even now the credit isn't Bob Kane and Bill Finger, it's only Bob Kane with Bill Finger.

But Steve Ditko always got full credit for his part in creating Spider-Man and Doctor Strange.

Yes Ditko did seem to be getting credit, but of course that was pre-MCU days.

Now credit = cash in the accounts.

Kirby was trying reclaim his rights or get a settlement before he died and his family carried on the fight. Ed Brubaker himself confirmed that as I recall after the settlement was announced. Kirby estate is happy, all is well.

Bill Finger, okay he is finally being credited for Batman. That is good. As to the phrasing, Bob Kane with Bill Finger vs Bob Kane and Bill Finger....well I am not honestly sure that it matters but it would be nice to see as the latter. However I suppose it comes down to getting the Kane estate to agree, and that is what they came up with. I am not privy to the details of course, just speculating. Isn't there the arguement that Bob Kane created the core concept/prototype of Batman and Bill Finger simply refined it rather heavily into the Batman we all know, including creating his arsenal, cave, vehicles, etc. But without the core concept from Bob Kane, Bill Finger would have had nothing to work with. Again just speculating.

But the Siegle/Schuster agreement, the Kirby settlement and the Bill Finger settlement all set precedents for creators and their estates to try as well.

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