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Subj: Re: Ditko, Objectivism, Marvel: A Time for Reassessment?
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 at 08:36:52 am EDT (Viewed 83 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Ditko, Objectivism, Marvel: A Time for Reassessment?
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2022 at 04:06:35 am EDT (Viewed 88 times)


      Having read your article, I have one question:
      I see the words "objectivist" and "randian" a lot, (both in your article and in the real world) and outside your article, they seem to be used interchangeably. Can you explain the difference between the words in your own head cannon.

    For me it's the same thing. Randian is a synonym for Objectivism and vice versa, and I alternate words to avoid repetition. Objectivism capitalized is of course different from lower-case objectivity and so on, so I mean it in terms of how Rand asserted things.


      As far as Stan Lee censoring a Kirby satire of Ayn Rand, I didn't read anything more into that than Lee not wanting to seem disrespectful. I'm curious if he read what Kirby said about it first. Is it possible that Lee didn't think Kirby was the right person to do the satire well?

    It might be an attempt to put Kirby in his place, and snobbishly insisting that Kirby is too stupid to understand Rand, so that might be a thing too. I leaned towards Lee being a Randian but others can make different conclusions.

I don't see how that's an indication that Lee was snobbish. I'm also not buying that Stan was a Randian without better evidence. Do you have examples in his writings that would support that? Decisions he made as an editor or publisher mean little without the context of those decisions known to us. As far as recommending Ayn Rands works to Ditko, that could be so Steve would have more insight into writing or plotting villains.    Unlike DC at the time, Stan Lee was not usually about basic mustache twirling villains.  Stan was about creating nuanced characters, in both heroes AND villains. In any case, anyone can recommend that someone read Rand's work without necessarily being an Objectionivist.


      With comics like The Dark Knight and Watchmen, not to mention some of Ditko's other work, Rand's influence on comics seems to be far-reaching.

    Rand had an impact in real-world society when one of her acolytes became the Chair of the US Federal Reserve. So it would be a surprise that her influence doesn't show up in comics as it has in movies, advertising, games.

She certainly had influence, but I'm not sure that she had a lot of dogmatic followers. Zach Snyder's Superman work seems to have Randian elements, but it also has Christian themes and tropes. I'm not sure that Rand would have approved of it, as Rand herself was an athiest.