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Subj: Re: Ditko, Objectivism, Marvel: A Time for Reassessment?
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 at 12:50:09 pm EDT (Viewed 89 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Ditko, Objectivism, Marvel: A Time for Reassessment?
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 at 08:36:52 am EDT (Viewed 83 times)

    I don't see how that's an indication that Lee was snobbish. I'm also not buying that Stan was a Randian without better evidence. Do you have examples in his writings that would support that?

I go over in my article on the divide between being a fan of Rand and Randian. I guess in this post I mixed the two together for which I'm sorry. I would say that Stan Lee liked what he read of Rand and gave it no deeper thought beyond feeling good while reading her works like most general readers of Rand's The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged.

At the same time privately and personally, Lee as revealed by Abraham Riesman, certainly did have a lot of what we would call "libertarian" ideas. Very anti-union, very pro-individualist and so on. Politically, he was a chameleon and very good at ventriloquizing the viewpoints that people wanted to hear for him. So he would sound liberal when it was convenient and in his interest to be liberal and so on.

    In any case, anyone can recommend that someone read Rand's work without necessarily being an Objectionivist.

That's true. But the fact that it was Lee who did it, certainly overturns this idea that Lee was the liberal and Ditko was the fringe weirdo. It turns out both had a degree of things in common.

    She certainly had influence, but I'm not sure that she had a lot of dogmatic followers. Zach Snyder's Superman work seems to have Randian elements, but it also has Christian themes and tropes. I'm not sure that Rand would have approved of it, as Rand herself was an athiest.

Rand was an atheist but she was pro-freemarket far more than anti-god and she'd swallow her convictions and pal around with religious folk who liked her ideas and belief system even if they didn't make sense.

As for Snyder and Rand, well ultimately he made Superman and Batman and Justice League unprofitable by bringing them into the big screen and his Watchmen was also unsuccessful, which means that there's no creator with Randian leanings who has had success outside Rand. Brad Bird's Incredibles might be an exception but he's denied it.

I go over this in another post that came out today where I point out that Rorschach from Watchmen in fact was far more successful a Randian anti-hero than Ditko's own creations proved to be.