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Subj: Re: God-like Superman vs. infinite Superman (a topic, not a fight)
Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 03:14:05 pm EST
Reply Subj: God-like Superman vs. infinite Superman (a topic, not a fight)
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 at 11:57:21 pm EST
You made a lot of good points, Sandman. I agree with them for the most part...but...
I think the fault lies in the writers more than the concept. They look at Superman and go "If I can't have my guy outmuscle him then where's the suspense". As if the only way to lose is to be physically beaten up.
Look at the Post-Crisis take on Lex Luthor- Superman can have any power level you want to give him and he still can't beat a guy unless he can prove the guy committed a crime. It got overdone in Lex's case (IMO), but you can get some mileage out of Superman being limited by the law- a few villians like Lex who are hard to connect to crimes or like Marvel's Dr Doom who have some immunity to prosecution.
And Superman isn't psychic. If he arrives at the scene of a crime he can stop it, but he can't stop things he doesn't know about. So the first attack of a villian can always succeed if they don't telegraph it. And any lateer schemes can succeed if they either are unexpected or if they are plotted out so while Superman is dealing with one scheme he is prevented from stopping another.
You also can play up that as "super" as Superman is, the rest of the universe is still affected by physics. Superman might be able to fly around the world a dozen times in a second, but if he needs to carry something with him he might be limited to a speed where the item he is carrying won't burn up from friction.
Even if you assemble the wall at super-speed doesn't it still take time for the cemenet holding the bricks in place to dry?
The bomb Superman shrugs off without noticing might destroy the city, planet, solar system...
Juggling planets is easy- keeping the planets and everything on them from being destroyed in the process, not so easy.
I think the main problem with most writers is they make the plot focus on Superman as the target rather than on the bad guy having a scheme that has a goal other than defeating Superman. A goal that Superman has to prevent. A goal that might not be an obvious threat (Lex's hidden agenda), a goal that might be hard to stop ( Superman doesn't know when or where to apply his powers), or a goal that you simply can't hit until it falls down (somehing where his pwers can't directly impact the threat).
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