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Subj: Re: Edited with quotes.
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 09:51:13 pm EST
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 09:00:05 pm EST

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> > >When he fought Earth 2 Superman during the Superman issue of Infinite Crisis, the power he and E2 unleashed damaged space and time and destroyed Earth 2 completely (it was restored by untold means later). They didn't even hit the planet -- just themselves, destroying the planet in one final shot and causing the universe to go all whacky.
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> > Of course, this is due to the multiverse being unstable during the crisis.
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> According to Superman it was the battle that did it: "The struggle between us has shattered the boundaries of space and time." Nothing else said.

That was no doubt the writer's mistake because it was part of Infinitie Crisis and Alex Luthor was the one messing with the fabric of time and space and need E2 Superman to accomplish the goal which was perhaps prepared in stages. The two Supermen were having a metaphysical experience, living the other's life experience with some editorials like with E2 Superman who was fooling himself at the time, while battling and destroying pseudo earth 2 Metropolis.

They were fighting in a unstable environment and happen to be two versions of the same person. What you saw in that issue was probably more metaphysical then physical.

There's also the fact that E2 Superman kept mentioning that the mulitverse was weakened which may involved the laws of physics which is probably why he couldn't move planets anymore because of perhaps being in a more stable reality and why post-crisis Superman is less powerful then when he was E1 Superman because reality is now holding him back like being unable to move faster then the speed of light inside the earth or being unable to gain that level of speed that easily and quickly. Superboy Prime probably still had that anti-matter boost to allow him pre-crisis power levels in the post-crisis universe. That he may have perhaps had a portion of Anti-Monitor's power that may have also corrupted him.
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> And it was their final blow that nixed the planet: "So it continues ... with a blow that shatters the world." And with that, we see the resulting explosion and funky reality effects -- which, along with Supes and E2 switching lives at the start of the fight/arc, are examples of them having "shattered the boundaries of space and time."
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> Supes, like the Flashes and Superboy, had his game way upped during IC. This was his last hurrah prior to the Busiek/Johns softboot.
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> > >He and Phantom Zone Zod also destroyed a planet (during Lee's run), incidentally, just by pounding on each other (each hit on them was transfered onto the planet, or something like that).
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> > It is specifically stated in the book that this is due to them both being part of the fabric of that world (a world that Superman created in the Phantom Zone). Hence it breaking apart as they pound on each other.
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> Don't disagree here. They hit themselves and the planet likewise got hit: "With every blow we land, the ground beneath us shakes. As our skin splits, so does this earth." They definitely were linked to it, that's why it took the hits they put on each other: "This world I created, it's somehow linked not just to me, but to General Zod -- a Kryptonian who was banished here and became part of its fabric. The more we pound on each other, the more Metropia breaks apart." They survived; the planet did not.
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> That was no doubt the writer's mistake because it was part of Infinitie Crisis and Alex Luthor was the one messing with the fabric of time and space and need E2 Superman to accomplish the goal which was perhaps prepared in stages. The two Supermen were having a metaphysical experience, living the other's life experience with some editorials like with E2 Superman who was fooling himself at the time, while battling and destroying pseudo earth 2 Metropolis.
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> They were fighting in a unstable environment and happen to be two versions of the same person. What you saw in that issue was probably more metaphysical then physical.
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> There's also the fact that E2 Superman kept mentioning that the mulitverse was weakened which may involved the laws of physics which is probably why he couldn't move planets anymore because of perhaps being in a more stable reality and why post-crisis Superman is less powerful then when he was E1 Superman because reality is now holding him back like being unable to move faster then the speed of light inside the earth or being unable to gain that level of speed that easily and quickly. Superboy Prime probably still had that anti-matter boost to allow him pre-crisis power levels in the post-crisis universe. That he may have perhaps had a portion of Anti-Monitor's power that may have also corrupted him.

I read Kelly's story, not Sandman's. As with your take on Supergirl No. 5 -- which added all sorts of non-existant theories and "facts" to a very straight forward story (much as you did with your Superman 191 interpretation and "slingshot" idea)-- what you wrote is not in the issue at all.

"Mistake" or not, and your theories notwithstanding, Kelly wrote what he wrote, and you should respect the man and his work by accepting it. Whether his story jibes with your preconceived notions or logic is superfluous; this -- and only this -- is how it goes: "The struggle between us has shattered the boundaries of space and time."

_rc



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