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Subj: Re: Bring Back Supergirl
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 10:53:27 am EST
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 at 06:14:53 pm EST

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> > I disliked the Byrne era. It made no sense to me because Superman was powered down but the other heroes weren't, which left me thinking that Superman was no longer the most powerful hero, and that bugged me. If all the heroes had been powered down, I might have had a different reaction.
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> They were powered down, the other "overpowered" ones that is like Captain Marvel, in fact, the DC universe now had new rules in reality that effected everyone and Superman was still one of the most powerful beings on the planet.


First, "one of" isn't good enough for me. Superman should be, hands down, the most powerful hero.

Secondly, Green Lantern wasn't powered down, nor was the Martian Manhunter, nor was the Flash, nor was Wonder Woman, nor Doctor Fate, nor the Spectre... who was powered down? Apparently Captain Marvel, from what you say. Who else?


> Although there were a lot of glitches, they wanted it to be more believable and plot driven for the readers which pre-crisis Superman was too powerful to let happen.


Marvel writers who were used to the Marvel Universe came to DC and suddenly Superman had to be powered down. It really wasn't necessary. Put Superman in the Marvel Universe and then yes, it would be necessary to power him down, as witness the ridiculous spectacle of the Sentry, a character too powerful for his universe so naturally he's agoraphobic and thus hides in his living room instead of getting involved. But DC was always different and didn't need to ape Marvel in order to be cool.

DC just needed to trim back the excess lunacy on the fringes of what Superman did in the Silver Age. Tossing a rock to the moon? Lunacy. Don't do that any more. But flying the rock to the moon is fine and doing it at near light speed is fine too.

Superman was generally more powerful than his enemies. In the Marvel Universe this would be unacceptable. But in the DC Universe it worked fine if the storytellers understood how to make it work. In a Superman story, we're generally not worried that Superman might get hurt. We're worried that someone else might get hurt. Thus we're worried about the very same thing that Superman is worried about. And while Superman has the power advantage, the villain has the "no scruples" advantage. The villain will put helpless innocents at risk. Superman won't ever do that, plus Superman will always be diverted from the battle to save any innocents who are endangered.

Superman has more power but also more scruples. The villain has less power but also less scruples. No Marvel story would every be structured like that. But DC is different.



> > > I disliked the Byrne era. It made no sense to me because Superman was powered down but the other heroes weren't, which left me thinking that Superman was no longer the most powerful hero, and that bugged me. If all the heroes had been powered down, I might have had a different reaction.
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> > They were powered down, the other "overpowered" ones that is like Captain Marvel, in fact, the DC universe now had new rules in reality that effected everyone and Superman was still one of the most powerful beings on the planet.
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> First, "one of" isn't good enough for me. Superman should be, hands down, the most powerful hero.

Sorry, but the guy should have some rivals because hardly anyone can take the "Because he's Superman" serious anymore and the he's god's gift to the universe was getting boring which is part of the reason they rebooted and depowered him, but they did keep him god-like while hopefully the planet moving thing will never come back for story sake.
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> Secondly, Green Lantern wasn't powered down, nor was the Martian Manhunter, nor was the Flash, nor was Wonder Woman, nor Doctor Fate, nor the Spectre... who was powered down? Apparently Captain Marvel, from what you say. Who else?

You pretty much have the list right there because they were powered down while the Spectra is a cosmic being with rules that hold him back.
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> > Although there were a lot of glitches, they wanted it to be more believable and plot driven for the readers which pre-crisis Superman was too powerful to let happen.
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> Marvel writers who were used to the Marvel Universe came to DC and suddenly Superman had to be powered down. It really wasn't necessary. Put Superman in the Marvel Universe and then yes, it would be necessary to power him down, as witness the ridiculous spectacle of the Sentry, a character too powerful for his universe so naturally he's agoraphobic and thus hides in his living room instead of getting involved. But DC was always different and didn't need to ape Marvel in order to be cool.
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> DC just needed to trim back the excess lunacy on the fringes of what Superman did in the Silver Age. Tossing a rock to the moon? Lunacy. Don't do that any more. But flying the rock to the moon is fine and doing it at near light speed is fine too.
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> Superman was generally more powerful than his enemies. In the Marvel Universe this would be unacceptable. But in the DC Universe it worked fine if the storytellers understood how to make it work. In a Superman story, we're generally not worried that Superman might get hurt. We're worried that someone else might get hurt. Thus we're worried about the very same thing that Superman is worried about. And while Superman has the power advantage, the villain has the "no scruples" advantage. The villain will put helpless innocents at risk. Superman won't ever do that, plus Superman will always be diverted from the battle to save any innocents who are endangered.
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> Superman has more power but also more scruples. The villain has less power but also less scruples. No Marvel story would every be structured like that. But DC is different.
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