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Johnny Sarcastic

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little kon-el

Subj: Re: All Star Superman #8...brillaint insight on Superman... [SPOILERS]
Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 09:18:20 pm EST
Reply Subj: Re: All Star Superman #8...brillaint insight on Superman... [SPOILERS]
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 01:26:19 pm EST

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> > All Star Superman #8 introduces two new Kryptonian astronauts who take Superman's place when he was stuck in the Bizarro World. These two astronauts are cocky and push Superman around until they realize that kryptonite poisoning has left them sick and dying. Superman puts them into the Phantom Zone in order to save them, giving them both a purpose and their gratitude.
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> > What I loved about it was that it pointed out something that is kind of lost in the latest Superman stories: he is a scientist son and that is why he doesn't interfere with changing the world dramatically.
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> > I thought that was a brilliant insight as to what makes Superman tick, but also what differentiates him from other Kryptonians. The Kryptonians depicted in All Star Superman were Astronauts who were very gung-ho and pretty much calling Superman a wimp because he is the son of a scientist. This tells you a lot about Kryptonian culture: they had this huge hubris and a chip on their shoulder that wasn't patient or observant of the world. It finally makes sense that Krypton wouldn't listen to a scientist...scientists are geeks compared to the gung-ho Astronauts.
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> It doesn't make that much sense, when you consider that Jor El wasn't believed by the SCIENCE council, which had replaced the Imperialist war council.
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> These Astronauts seemed to have come from some time out of Krypton's past, before space travel and colonization had become illegal.
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> From that perspective, their attitude makes sense, but it doesn't really shed any extra light on in the Jor-El/Science Council disagreement.
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Maybe the bravado was still a part of the Science Council. Depending on the past that Morrison might be drawing from, I could still see the Science Council being very arrogant with their technology. They believed they could control their world, not observing that their world was coming to an end. Jor-el's always been seen as rebellious because he was very humble (the world was coming to an end), observant (he had proof that the world was going to end), and bold (he sent his only son away) no matter what incarnation, so that might show the main schism between the two group. Jor-el was a scientist who was looked down upon because he didn't have the arrogance and presumption that the older establishment had.

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> > Kal-el has both of these things, because he is the son of a scientist, and this becomes his defining characteristic. He doesn't barge into things. He takes his time to make sure he gets things right. He doesn't just break Kandor out...he waits patiently and tries his best to find a way to enlarge Kandor without killing inhabitants. He doesn't recreate Krypton on Earth, he shows the world through example and through his actions.
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> In part, if you believe strongly in the power of genetics.
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> But he's also the son of a farmer, simple and hardworking, who bends the land to his will to serve his needs, and the needs of the people he serves.
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> So in that sense, it is very counter to what might be the perceived nature of Superman's family that he is so...reactive.
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He may be the son of a farmer, but he is also the son of a scientist. His main struggle is trying to live up to his father, Jor-el...a father he only knows through the debris of his culture or through recollections from other devises (like journals) and other people (like possibly lar gand). His whole devotion to Krypton is so he can become closer to his father and mother that he never knew. You can even see his struggles against villains (like Lex Luthor...the most brillaint scientist on Earth like Jor-el was the most brilliant scientist on Krypton) as Superman trying to both identify and defeat the image of his father.

- l.k.


> He may be the son of a farmer, but he is also the son of a scientist. His main struggle is trying to live up to his father, Jor-el...a father he only knows through the debris of his culture or through recollections from other devises (like journals) and other people (like possibly lar gand). His whole devotion to Krypton is so he can become closer to his father and mother that he never knew. You can even see his struggles against villains (like Lex Luthor...the most brillaint scientist on Earth like Jor-el was the most brilliant scientist on Krypton) as Superman trying to both identify and defeat the image of his father.

I never took any of that away from Superman stories, really. He's always been more human than Kryptonian to me (except for maybe the movies). His advice is always, always, ALWAYS human based. Practically every issue we see him talking to Lois, or pa, or Bruce. He doesn't really spend a lot of time science-ing it up.

I always percieved his interest in Krypton sort of similar as your intrest in your dead great-grandparents - you want to know where you're from, but it doesn't HAVE to influence where you're going.


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