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Subj: Re: Silver Age Superman
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How often did Clark visit Smallville?



Silver age Chronology: When did the Kents die?



Did the Death of Martha and John play that much of a role in the adult Superman comics?



Did Clark still own the farm?



Historically speaking. If during the Silver age (Before that Hateful Crisis) would it have made much of a difference if Martha and John had come back?



I remember one of the Giffen Legion issues where Saturn Girl sends Superboy away. Because she knew on this date. when Superboy went home. That the Kents would fall ill and pass away.



Was it such a big deal that the Kents came back or were never gone after the Crisis? It doesn't seem to do much more than add another interplaying element to the Superman Books (Abeit an emotional one).



My reasons for asking is this. I am doing a story involving Superman of the Silver age. Basically the events in the Crisis fail to happen the way they did (The whys and hows are unimportant) and the Multiple Earth's survive. But during the event I want something to happen that brings back the Kents. Since I think they are great chara and to basically have it that they never got sick and were around for Clark until he was an adult. Would it put too much of a crimp in Supes history to do that?



Thanks.

> How often did Clark visit Smallville?

As often as the stories required. It didn't seem to be a frequent thing, but when a story had him visiting it also didn't come off as something he rarely did.

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> Silver age Chronology: When did the Kents die?

Summer before Clark left for college.

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> Did the Death of Martha and John play that much of a role in the adult Superman comics?

It was mentioned at points.

One of my favorite stories had Kal-El split into two people- Clark Kent and Superman- each believing they were seperate people and always had been. The catalyst that reunited them was when Clark (who had realized the truth) having tried numerous things to restore "Superman's" memories in Smallville had them both stop at the Kent's graves. As Clark recalled their deaths it triggered the memory for both of them.

> Did Clark still own the farm?

The farm had been "gone" since just before Clark started either his Superboy career or school. Jonathan had become a storekeeper and the Kents lived in town. Clark had kept the house after their deaths partially because of all the clues it held like the secret tunnel exit, the modified basement and attic used for Superboy activites, and such.

> Historically speaking. If during the Silver age (Before that Hateful Crisis) would it have made much of a difference if Martha and John had come back?

There was a story in Action Comics shrtly after issue 500 ( I think it was issues 507 and 508) where Jonathan was returned to life for a brief period. By the end of the story everyone has forgotten his return but on some level Superman still held the feeling of being clod\ser to his father.

> I remember one of the Giffen Legion issues where Saturn Girl sends Superboy away. Because she knew on this date. when Superboy went home. That the Kents would fall ill and pass away.
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Don't recall that specific story. Do recall a simialr one where a villian manged to devastate Superboy by leading him to a place in the 30th century where he learned how and when the Kent's would die. Saturn Girl sent him back with a subconcious suggestion to forget what he had learned and not return to the 30th Century (to avoid the risk of his rediscovering those facts).

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> Was it such a big deal that the Kents came back or were never gone after the Crisis? It doesn't seem to do much more than add another interplaying element to the Superman Books (Abeit an emotional one).
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Yes. The death of the Kents was the biggest "failure" of Superman's life. Think of the scene in Superman the Movie at the Jonathan's funeral- "All these wonderful things I can do ..." and factor in it being both his parents and his having almost a decade of experience as Superboy.

This is an 18 year-old kid who had saved trillions of lives across the universe and time. He has access to the technology of Krypton and the 30th Century. He's defeated sorceror's like Mordru, the schemes of Lex Luthor, and fellow survivors form Krypton who were twice his age. He can travel faster then light, survive at the core of stars, and move planets with ease. Yet for all this he is utterly powerless to save the two most important people in his life.

I hadn't noticed it until I read a fan-fic set pre-Crisis about the death of Martha Kent- but Byrne's reboot had taken a lot of emotional weight out of Superman. Byrne's version wasn't really connected to Krypton and didn't mourn it's passing in any personal sense. He's also never pushed his powers to the limit and failed. Pre-Crisis Superman was orphaned twice- once as an infant when a planet he had lived on with people he had known died and again when despite his best efforts his adopted parents died.

> My reasons for asking is this. I am doing a story involving Superman of the Silver age. Basically the events in the Crisis fail to happen the way they did (The whys and hows are unimportant) and the Multiple Earth's survive. But during the event I want something to happen that brings back the Kents. Since I think they are great chara and to basically have it that they never got sick and were around for Clark until he was an adult. Would it put too much of a crimp in Supes history to do that?


It wouldn't crimp his history but it would alter his basic characterization. Pre-Crisis he was an alien in more ways than biology. He was sort of one step removed from humanity by his powers, his responsibilities, and his sense of loss. And part of this was his reaction to losing the Kents who were the only people for most of his life who knew the real Kal-El. Everyone else knew him as either a nice but ineffective guy named Clark or as a larger-than-life hero named Superboy/man. The death of the Kents took away a part of him that never quite came back- Superboy was a lot less reserved than Superman.

Take away the death of the Kents and Superman is a more mature Superboy but one a lot less guarded and less used to pain and loss.



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