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Knight

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thuggernaut

Subj: Re: Consensus on the Loeb/Kelly/Casey ERA?
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 06:52:59 pm EDT (Viewed 121 times)
Reply Subj: Consensus on the Loeb/Kelly/Casey ERA?
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 05:30:53 pm EDT (Viewed 22 times)




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    I'm curious as to what superfans think of that era.


Started strong for me, but the middle of that era began sinking into terrible writing. The end couldn't come quick enough, only for things to get worse.


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    It may be my LEAST favorite era of Superman. I actually thought it started out decent enough and Lord knows it was time for a change. The old-guard was really churning out terrible stuff at that point. So the change of the tone/pace/teams was quite necessary.


Yeah, the change was necessary. As much as I loved the "old guard" as you put it, I think they were very much fatigued at that point when trying to tell a good Superman story. Understandable, considering that I got the sense that whatever they tried to do to Superman that was different the fans would rebel against it and demand changes.


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    I really dug Joe Kelly's first few issues with German Garcia that were fast-paced and self-contained stories. Fun stuff like fighting in Asgard and quirky villains like Encantadora. Unfortunately, Garcia was gone fast and never returned to comics that I know of.



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    But that's all that worked for me. Kelly (and Loeb and Casey) all sort of disintegrated into a cartoony, unfocused, scatter-shot. Didn't like Emperor Joker, President Lex, Y2K, Return to Krypton, Imperiex, Russian Zod, etc. Action 775 left me cold.


Not to mention Superman's uneccesary power ups that were happening constantly, thanks to Jeph Loeb opening that can of worms. Re-introducing cheesy pre-crisis elements back into the titles, etc, etc. >;p


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    And Ed McGuinness' Superman is. . .distinctive. But to me, he always looked so simian; like a big blue bag of coconuts with eye-brows. I prefer Mike McKone who did Loeb's first three issues.


For me, McGuiness made Superman look like he was the Incredible Hulk with normal skin color. Add in a side of "too much cartoon look" and you have an art style that amazes me as to how and why he ever made it as a comic book artist.


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    I recall that Schultz/Mahnke did solid, if non-memorable, work on MOS. Later era replacements like Pascal Ferry, Seagle/Scott McDaniel, Chuck Austen, and Greg Rucka didn't help matter, IMO. The books were still weak and all over the board.


Never liked Mahnke either. He always draws everyone as if he's drawing healthy looking Zombies. *Shudders* He's gotten better over the years, though. So, his art isn't as bad as it used to be.


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    The ship started to be righted (stabilized at least) with Busiek/Pachecho and Johns/Frank, but those runs didn't last too long.


Seems to be the norm these days. All the good writers Superman has never stick around nearly long enough. There are exceptions to this, of course, but more often than not, this is the case. \:\(






It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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