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Subj: Re: As Daveym mentioned, the Crisis aftermath was really slapdash.
Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 at 03:50:23 am EST (Viewed 134 times)
Reply Subj: Anyone else not like they never explained what happened to E1 Superman?
Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 at 09:52:03 pm EST (Viewed 134 times)

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For all the endless revisiting of Crises and continuity, I'm amazed no writer ever tackled this. It's always been an annoying brain worm to me that there wasn't some issue showing pre-crisis Superman "alteration" into post-crisis Superman, as pre-crisis Superman did NOT die!

At the end of COIE 12, E1 Superman is a survivor on the last remaining Earth. Of course, E1 was the "main" Superman and there was never a formal distinction between him and E2 Superman until a 70s retcon.

Then comes Moore's "imaginary story" WHTTMOT which happens in the future and features E1 Superman post-crisis. We know this because he mourns the dead Supergirl!

Then a few months later the Byrne reboot happens which of course wipes out the prior history and any memory of such.

But not too long later it is understood that post-crisis Superman fought in the COIE (but with selective memories) which actually placed "Man of Steel" taking place pre-crisis! And post-crisis Superman would have pre-Crisis memories of Robin, Teen Titans, and other things.

I think someone mentioned there was an an obscure issue of some title that showed that "memory wave" hit the denizens of the last Earth after COIE and that's why their memories or histories changed or something. Anyone know this issue by chance?

But it's always been an annoying brain worm to me that there wasn't some issue showing pre-crisis Superman "alteration" into post-crisis Superman, as pre-crisis Superman did NOT die!

Some people just assume that pre-crisis Superman become post-crisis Superman, while others are adamant that they are two different guys.

I'm astounded that Geoff Johns never tackled this in all his continuity heavy crisis work.

And frankly, a lot of editorial didn't want to reference Crisis at all and if it was a choice between not indulging the elephant in the room or indulging it, a lot of teams chose the former over the later.

And considering how messy the Pocket Universe and other stories that tried to explain things got, can you really blame them?

But anymore, I think it's a given that the current Supes isn't the Pre-Crisis E1 version and that guy lives on his own Earth. Mostly because you got stories like Convergence that now state that COIE never happened and you even had the Peter David Supergirl storyline "Many Happy Returns".

Which, for those who don't remember, had the Pre-C Supergirl get sent to our Earth, where Linda Danvers decided to try to spare Kara her fate of dying by taking her place in the Pre-Crisis Universe. Which had her marrying that version of Superman and having a daughter with him (which was heavily implied, if not outright stated, became the Supergirl of the 853rd Century aka DC 1 Million), until it all got undone because Kara not dying had some universal implications.

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