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Subj: Re: question for the board
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 at 10:41:41 pm EDT (Viewed 1 times)
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> > Well let's see. Asgard is a monarchy and Odin could see anything going on anywhere, and when called upon to act ruled with an iron hand. He did not, however, rule with an iron heel. Thor sure did though in the King Thor storyline and so what Iron Man has done should remind him of that.
> >
> > Vikings liked their civil liberties, but not so much those of others. The beginning of real monarchy in Scandinavia with Harald Fairhair was more the end of viking habits than Christianity as the Christianized vikings had shown they they were still willing to raid and pillage before that. Law, the respect for others underpinning it, is an essential ingredient for liberty. Even with lots of monarchy going on, monarchs and parliaments alike throughout the northern-European world (arguably?) pretty much invented and popularized civil liberties as we know them. Certainly there are some strong counter-examples historically (Charlemagne for starters). So to the degree its worth taking into account what Thor might represent culturally, it's a bit of a mixed bag.
> >
> > Thor throughout Marveldom was always sort of rebellious toward Odin on the sly, but never seemed to take any pleasure in it and seemed to have no expectation of a private life or of his own decisions... His secret identity was even Odin's invention.
> >
> > So as much as I'd love to think of Thor as some sort of free-spirited Scandinavian-style liberty-lover that just doesn't match the facts of his past depictions at Marvel other than The Ultimates. But because he can and I think should occupy that role, the way they should play it is by making him a 'futurist' too... He's learned his lesson. He's seen where absolute power leads... absolute corruption. Both in the form of King Thor, and in the form of Those Who Sit Above In Shadow. But that's stronger storytelling anyway and makes a much better argument than simply favoring traditional freedom for inertia's sake.
> >
> > He should smack Tony down, and keep smacking him and the rest of the Illuminati down until they're out, but not without complete understanding.
> >
> > Now as to Thor's relationship with Cap, again, he's seen so many people die that it might seem forced for him to react singularly to Cap's death. On the other hand that would be vastly preferable than Thor fighting Tony as a mere turf battle over who has sovereignty.
> >
> > > How do you think Thor will react when he finds out that Captain America is dead? I really hope the writers can do that justice. Whenever Cap does come back I hope that Cap and Thor make the Avengers as close to as what they were before all the civil war garbage.
>
> wow!!! I didnt expect all the deep cultural examination. I think Thor might have a bit of a singular reaction because of his realtion to Cap. Now I am not disparaging Thors relationship to his people. I just would like to see him have more than just a passing reaction. I want Thor and Cap to be together and its just ironic that THor is back and Cap is dead.

I believe going off of what was said in the eight pages of previews for Thor #3, he already knows. He seems to know all the particulars regarding the Civil War and it's because of the clone of him that he and Iron Man are fighting. Stands to reason if he knows about all of that, then he knows Cap surrendered and was assassinated.

Also, Captain America is the one mortal Thor respects the most. REmember, we're talking about a man with no powers who was able to put a god in his place on occasion. Not to mention Thor would follow cap without question.

So says the UNFADABLE!!

> > > Well let's see. Asgard is a monarchy and Odin could see anything going on anywhere, and when called upon to act ruled with an iron hand. He did not, however, rule with an iron heel. Thor sure did though in the King Thor storyline and so what Iron Man has done should remind him of that.
> > >
> > > Vikings liked their civil liberties, but not so much those of others. The beginning of real monarchy in Scandinavia with Harald Fairhair was more the end of viking habits than Christianity as the Christianized vikings had shown they they were still willing to raid and pillage before that. Law, the respect for others underpinning it, is an essential ingredient for liberty. Even with lots of monarchy going on, monarchs and parliaments alike throughout the northern-European world (arguably?) pretty much invented and popularized civil liberties as we know them. Certainly there are some strong counter-examples historically (Charlemagne for starters). So to the degree its worth taking into account what Thor might represent culturally, it's a bit of a mixed bag.
> > >
> > > Thor throughout Marveldom was always sort of rebellious toward Odin on the sly, but never seemed to take any pleasure in it and seemed to have no expectation of a private life or of his own decisions... His secret identity was even Odin's invention.
> > >
> > > So as much as I'd love to think of Thor as some sort of free-spirited Scandinavian-style liberty-lover that just doesn't match the facts of his past depictions at Marvel other than The Ultimates. But because he can and I think should occupy that role, the way they should play it is by making him a 'futurist' too... He's learned his lesson. He's seen where absolute power leads... absolute corruption. Both in the form of King Thor, and in the form of Those Who Sit Above In Shadow. But that's stronger storytelling anyway and makes a much better argument than simply favoring traditional freedom for inertia's sake.
> > >
> > > He should smack Tony down, and keep smacking him and the rest of the Illuminati down until they're out, but not without complete understanding.
> > >
> > > Now as to Thor's relationship with Cap, again, he's seen so many people die that it might seem forced for him to react singularly to Cap's death. On the other hand that would be vastly preferable than Thor fighting Tony as a mere turf battle over who has sovereignty.
> > >
> > > > How do you think Thor will react when he finds out that Captain America is dead? I really hope the writers can do that justice. Whenever Cap does come back I hope that Cap and Thor make the Avengers as close to as what they were before all the civil war garbage.
> >
> > wow!!! I didnt expect all the deep cultural examination. I think Thor might have a bit of a singular reaction because of his realtion to Cap. Now I am not disparaging Thors relationship to his people. I just would like to see him have more than just a passing reaction. I want Thor and Cap to be together and its just ironic that THor is back and Cap is dead.
>
> I believe going off of what was said in the eight pages of previews for Thor #3, he already knows. He seems to know all the particulars regarding the Civil War and it's because of the clone of him that he and Iron Man are fighting. Stands to reason if he knows about all of that, then he knows Cap surrendered and was assassinated.
>
> Also, Captain America is the one mortal Thor respects the most. REmember, we're talking about a man with no powers who was able to put a god in his place on occasion. Not to mention Thor would follow cap without question.
>
> So says the UNFADABLE!!

could not have said it better myself. That is one of the reasons that Captain America is my favorite superhero. I also like the that part of Thor who could allow himself to learn from a mortal human. That speaks to Thors character and why he is one of my favorites.


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