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Subj: Re: On balance, should Thor brick foes have weapons? [SPOILERS]
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 12:48:40 am EDT
Reply Subj: On balance, should Thor brick foes have weapons? [SPOILERS]
Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 07:23:49 pm EDT

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one of my general concerns about the MUs portrayal of Thor is that he's often written as a brick with a hammer....and an uber hammer at that. the problem with this is that when matched up against bricks without melee weapons, an inference can be drawn that without the hammer, thor would lose to the brick, or, at the very least, that thor is out of his league against the brick sans mjolnir. in addition, when foes mess with thor's hammer or separate him from it, he seems to 1) panic and 2) job.

consider his fights with the likes of hulk and gladiator. with both, each spend a fair amount of time trying to get mjolnir away from thor. each believe that without the hammer, thor will be relatively easy to beat. as historically written, there may be some truth to this....

with the new monthly getting underway there is fertile ground to develop new foils or upgrade old ones. thor's drubbing of IM in issue three was on par with what i would expect when mjolnir is used as a blunt weapon: 1 casual shot=IM's defences down 15%.

of course, IM isn't really a brick. still, i would think that thor should be wrecking anybody who takes a strike from mjolnir. such strikes shouldn't be written as a having the same impact as a typical fist strike, IMO.

with this in mind, should thor face typical class 100 bricks with weapons, rather than hand to hand bricks? i would suggest that foes well above class 100 would be exceptions. kurse, and those like him, wouldn't fall under this analysis.

sheridan



> one of my general concerns about the MUs portrayal of Thor is that he's often written as a brick with a hammer....and an uber hammer at that. the problem with this is that when matched up against bricks without melee weapons, an inference can be drawn that without the hammer, thor would lose to the brick, or, at the very least, that thor is out of his league against the brick sans mjolnir. in addition, when foes mess with thor's hammer or separate him from it, he seems to 1) panic and 2) job.
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> consider his fights with the likes of hulk and gladiator. with both, each spend a fair amount of time trying to get mjolnir away from thor. each believe that without the hammer, thor will be relatively easy to beat. as historically written, there may be some truth to this....
>
> with the new monthly getting underway there is fertile ground to develop new foils or upgrade old ones. thor's drubbing of IM in issue three was on par with what i would expect when mjolnir is used as a blunt weapon: 1 casual shot=IM's defences down 15%.
>
> of course, IM isn't really a brick. still, i would think that thor should be wrecking anybody who takes a strike from mjolnir. such strikes shouldn't be written as a having the same impact as a typical fist strike, IMO.
>
> with this in mind, should thor face typical class 100 bricks with weapons, rather than hand to hand bricks? i would suggest that foes well above class 100 would be exceptions. kurse, and those like him, wouldn't fall under this analysis.
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> sheridan
>

You're thinking the Wrecking Crew here, they are the ultimate bricks with weapons in the Marvel U.

No matter who Thor faces, he should fight that person with a plan or strategy. Iron Man was more of a punitive drubbing than an actual fight- were Thor to actually strategize to hurt, Tony would be dead in less than a few seconds.

Oeming established that Thor doesn't need the hammer, but in his hands its his magic wand. It would take, perhaps a fellow Asgardian or high level being using similar weaponry to match Thor but Thor himself doesn't need to fight these people all the time with or without his hammer. It's just so darned hard to separate him from Mjolnir that it would surprise him and maybe open a small window for attack.

Mjolnir is itself quite a blunt weapon-it's a freakin' hammer after all! It's not a magic ring or staff. Odin was always the sorcerer in Thor's family.




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