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Mek

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Subj: Re: Again? Always. [SPOILERS]
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 at 10:20:00 pm EDT (Viewed 2 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Again? Always. [SPOILERS]
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 at 02:41:51 pm EDT (Viewed 2 times)

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Howdy Mek! \:\-\)

> > This is where you (and the reviewer) err.

> According to you, anyways.

Me and logic, yes.

> > With no Don Blake, not only does this movie poop on the comic book origins, but it also makes several other mistakes.

> So? If reactions from several people here -and elsewhere- are any indication, I doubt anyone will be shedding tears over the omission of Donald Blake.

Possibly not, but some of those are probably doing it for all the wrong reasons...the 'lets give Thor no weaknesses' crowd.

> Besides, has everyone forgotten about Sigurd Jarlson already? (I think... I haven't read the rest of Walt's run sadly) Not that they'll use that in the movie, but just something to think about in the interim until filming starts.

Was Sigurd Jarlson in Journey Into Mystery #83...?

> And not everything has to adhere to rigid, verbatim adaptations either: look at 'Hellboy', that changed and omitted somethings from the source, but it still ended up being a good movie IMHO. They key thing there was keeping the general spirit of the source material. If they can keep the spirit of the comics in general for 'Thor', then I think it'll turn out okay at best.

I'm not asking for a rigid verbatim adaptation. But it would be nice to have them tell his origin in some manner not a completely different story.

As regards Hellboy that movie script was adapted by Mike Mignola, so it was still as true to the character as possible.

> > Firstly, a god amongst gods is less special than a god amongst mortals.

> Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Thor one of the more important Nordic gods? I'm a little hazy on my Norse mythology, but I think there must've been some hierarchy like the Greek/Romans had.

He was one of the most important, but common sense tells us that he stands out as less special amongst gods than mortals.

> > Secondly, if this movie is a precursor to Thor on Earth (say in a sequel) then the Thor of the first movie is a bragging bully (to deserve banishment to Earth). That means Thor of this movie is no hero. In the event that they totally remove the need for Thor to be banished then it poops over so much continuity that you may as well call it Ultimate Thor.

> You can't really say that for sure until we actually know more details. That's just a grand/gross assumption. (And you know what they say about 'assume'...) Besides, who really knows what exactly happens? I'd like to remain cautiously optimistic instead of overly pessimistic.

Obviously I can't say for sure but thats why we are all here...to discuss...to speculate.

> > Everything I have seen so far tells me it has nothing to do with the Mighty Thor. It may end up a decent Thor movie, just not a decent Mighty Thor movie - and thats a shame.

> Oh, so there's a difference in names, is there? I must've missed the memo.

Theres a difference between Marvel Thor and mythic Thor, in terms of their history. But this movie seems to be alienating much of what makes Marvel Thor unique. As such it seems a waste of the franchise.

> > No it sounds like a Lord of the Rings bandwagon jumping, 'Galactus cloud' cop-out that has nothing to do with the Mighty Thor and is simply just Thor.

> Suuuuuuuure, you just keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night.

I sleep mightily, but thanks for your concern.


> > > This is where you (and the reviewer) err.
>
> > According to you, anyways.
>
> Me and logic, yes.

.... That doesn't make any sense what so ever.


> > So? If reactions from several people here -and elsewhere- are any indication, I doubt anyone will be shedding tears over the omission of Donald Blake.
>
> Possibly not, but some of those are probably doing it for all the wrong reasons...the 'lets give Thor no weaknesses' crowd.

While I am loathe to admit you do have a bit of a point there, I doubt the whole 'no weaknesses' thing is apart of it for some. Some of us -myself included- are not really fans of dual identities. And why bother with having to juggle the transformation crap? From the sound of things with the movie's story so far, having at least 1/3rd of the movie dedicated to just Don Blake wouldn't exactly be very entertaining. I'd rather they just go with a Sigurd Jarlson-type thing -with him essentially being depowered- and leave it at that.

> > Besides, has everyone forgotten about Sigurd Jarlson already? (I think... I haven't read the rest of Walt's run sadly) Not that they'll use that in the movie, but just something to think about in the interim until filming starts.
>
> Was Sigurd Jarlson in Journey Into Mystery #83...?

Upper Krust, with all due respect, don't insult my intelligence. Please. I may pull the 'dumb young adult new fan' act every now and then to confuse and frustrate people here for my own amusement, but I'm not THAT blind to 'Mighty Thor' history.


> I'm not asking for a rigid verbatim adaptation. But it would be nice to have them tell his origin in some manner not a completely different story.

Funny, that's not the impression I've gotten from your posts on the subject. You want Don Blake, you want Earth, you want Jane Foster (while I'm aware you haven't crowed on about that, I'm certain it'd pop up eventually), you want Thor's banishment from Asgard to learn humility... if those aren't thinly veiled 'requests' for a verbatim adaptation, then color me bright neon green.

> > > Firstly, a god amongst gods is less special than a god amongst mortals.
>
> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Thor one of the more important Nordic gods? I'm a little hazy on my Norse mythology, but I think there must've been some hierarchy like the Greek/Romans had.
>
> He was one of the most important, but common sense tells us that he stands out as less special amongst gods than mortals.

My common sense tells me that it'd still stand out for one of the more 'high and mighty'/revered gods to get bannihilated by the mack daddy of all, Odin. But again, that's just my take on it.

> > > Secondly, if this movie is a precursor to Thor on Earth (say in a sequel) then the Thor of the first movie is a bragging bully (to deserve banishment to Earth). That means Thor of this movie is no hero. In the event that they totally remove the need for Thor to be banished then it poops over so much continuity that you may as well call it Ultimate Thor.
>
> > You can't really say that for sure until we actually know more details. That's just a grand/gross assumption. (And you know what they say about 'assume'...) Besides, who really knows what exactly happens? I'd like to remain cautiously optimistic instead of overly pessimistic.
>
> Obviously I can't say for sure but thats why we are all here...to discuss...to speculate.

That is true. But what you're doing to me is more or less acting like everything is set in stone when... it isn't. Granted, there are others who are just as guilty of it as well, so you're not the only one.


> > Oh, so there's a difference in names, is there? I must've missed the memo.
>
> Theres a difference between Marvel Thor and mythic Thor, in terms of their history. But this movie seems to be alienating much of what makes Marvel Thor unique. As such it seems a waste of the franchise.

Well, it obviously has the Warriors 3, that's a Marvel creation. I wouldn't be surprised if they threw in Amora and Skurge for a cameo as well, those two are Marvel creations as well. (Albeit Amora is based on Freyja slightly, but that's another pandora's box) Obviously it has the whole 'Odin banishes Thor to Midgard because he's a braggart' plot thread too.

I think you're overlooking a few of the more distinctive details. But maybe you aren't, I can never tell with you anymore.

> > Suuuuuuuure, you just keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night.
>
> I sleep mightily, but thanks for your concern.

You're welcome.


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