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Hatman

Subj: Re: Must I have words with thee...again...? [SPOILERS]
Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 11:44:33 am EDT
Reply Subj: Re: Must I have words with thee...again...? [SPOILERS]
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 06:09:54 pm EDT (Viewed 2 times)

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> > I rather enjoy the thought of Thor adventuring with Sif, Balder, and the Warriors Three, as mentioned.
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> As would I, but not as an origin tale.
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I'd like to just jump into a Thor movie without the whole thing building to him being worthy of Mjolnir. The bane of superhero movies is the fact so many of them feel they have to start with the origin tale. Batman didn't need to, and it was one of the greatest comic adaptations ever.

> > I think Thor was still a hero to the realm of Asgard before his banishment, otherwise he wouldn't be worthy to carry Mjolnir.
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> How do you know he WAS able to wield Mjolnir immediately before his banishment?
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Well, really, how do you know he wasn't? \:\) We could probably just go back and forth on this one, couldn't we?

> > > No it sounds like a Lord of the Rings bandwagon jumping, 'Galactus cloud' cop-out that has nothing to do with the Mighty Thor and is simply just Thor.
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> > Honestly, I would LOVE to see a Thor movie done in the Lord of the Rings style. The warriors of Asgard battling the Frost Giants, or Surtur's forces, in an epic fantasy-style battle would be great!
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> Of course it would. Simply that it would have nothing to do with the origins of the Mighty Thor.
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Why do we need to start with the origin? I've read Thor: Son of Asgard but I'd rather see him full grown and smiting away.

> > That being said, I'd like the movie to end with Thor being sent to Earth, leading into an Avengers movie. If they establish Cap, Thor, and Iron Man ahead of time (and we know Iron Man will be for sure), they can jump straight into an Avengers movie without spending the whole time introducing the characters. They'd have to introduce a couple more Avengers, but the Big 3 who the movie would most likely revolve around would already be established.
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> Perhaps, although it seems as if Thor has the most to give up for the Avengers.

Give up? How so? If we get the high fantasy Thor movie first, which could end with Thor banished to Midgard, it's fairly easy to have Loki bringing together the Avengers (with the addition of Captain America to the original roster, which I don't think anyone would complain about, and with the possible deletion of the Hulk).

~Hat~

Hey Hatman! \:\-\)

> I'd like to just jump into a Thor movie without the whole thing building to him being worthy of Mjolnir. The bane of superhero movies is the fact so many of them feel they have to start with the origin tale.

Didn't really hurt Spiderman or Superman the Movie.

> Batman didn't need to, and it was one of the greatest comic adaptations ever.

If you are talking about Batman Begins it DID have his origins. His parents murdered by Joe Chill - what movie were you watching again!? !!!

> > How do you know he WAS able to wield Mjolnir immediately before his banishment?

> Well, really, how do you know he wasn't? \:\)

I suspect that the hammer never had the worthy enchantment until Odin banished Thor, although that sits at odds with early (Tales of Asgard) canon (which was paid homage to in Son of Asgard).

There does seem to be a contradiction somewhere.

> We could probably just go back and forth on this one, couldn't we?

Probably, but in the end I would win for the simple fact that Thor wasn't banished for no reason, ergo he must have been banished for 'a' reason. A reason which Odin deemed required a punishment of 40 years of incarceration.

> > Of course it would. Simply that it would have nothing to do with the origins of the Mighty Thor.

> Why do we need to start with the origin?

Simply because everything in the comic is based upon/follows on from those origins.

> I've read Thor: Son of Asgard but I'd rather see him full grown and smiting away.

A lot of what transpires in that comic is only poignant BECAUSE we are already familiar with the characters and relationships.

> > Perhaps, although it seems as if Thor has the most to give up for the Avengers.

> Give up? How so? If we get the high fantasy Thor movie first, which could end with Thor banished to Midgard, it's fairly easy to have Loki bringing together the Avengers (with the addition of Captain America to the original roster, which I don't think anyone would complain about, and with the possible deletion of the Hulk).

Aside from changing his comic book origins...

If Thor is banished to Earth at the end of the first movie then that suggests hes done something to warrant that banishment. That means you need to make Thor look bad (a bragging bully perhaps?) in his origin movie, hardly the mark of a hero.


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