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Subj: Re: To Spider-Hulk: From below
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 at 05:28:06 pm EST (Viewed 86 times)
Reply Subj: To Spider-Hulk: From below
Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 at 04:05:14 pm EST (Viewed 154 times)

    In the context of the issue it seemed Stan Lee and Jim Shooter intended it to be a bannerless Hulk. Aside from being more ruthless than the savage Hulk and not reverting back even after being aslpee for hours the narrative stated several times that Banner and Hulk had been separated, that Banner was no longer restraining the Hulk, etc. So I think there was some confusion on it. Over at the Hulk board I asked and the majority of responses I got indicate it was some form of the mindless/bannerless Hulk Thor battled and even though Hulk was dominating by the end Thor has pretty much held his own throughout the whole thing and even was still getting up at the end. If you are interested in the discussion go here:

I read it, I actually think the Hulk was well characterised in the issue. Given what was happening over in the Hulk comic itself. Hulk was mutating away from his old Green "Savage" Hulk guise to something else.

    The way some writers portray Thor he is an even worse fighter than Hulk. I think part of it is what I liked about issues from the Silver Age. Thor was so powerful that on Earth he didn't really have to worry about anything hurting him, but in Asgard he would often loose the first fight because, as often stated by whomever he was fighting, Thor would get used to easy victories on Earth and forget to step it up a notch in a world where everything is superpowerful which is one thing I was hoping to see in the Hulk vs. Thor dvd. The Hulk is unquestionable one of the most powerful being to ever walk the Earth, but on Earth most beings and technologies cannot even hurt him. I would think in Asgard of all places he would have had a better challenge.

Its ironic you mention this, because the handbooks always rate him most highly in combat, and hand to hand. But yes, Thor does tend to slug it to the finish, quite a bit. I think the Hulk is definately in the top tier of the marvel universe, but so is Thor, and of course Asgardian threats that Thor takes on, he takes seriously. Hulk may be a mortal, but Thor knows only too well what the Hulk is capable of. Usually when they fight each other, both parties I believe exercise restraint because they are both good people. However, in the context of the film, when Thor realised that Banner was not in there reigning Hulk in, then the gloves should have been off... so to speak... Thor would have gone for it, and greeted the Hulk with the hostility Hulk was dishing out.

    I think part of it is Thor is used to just powering through things. Other times I don't expect him to dodge every blow, but I'm not sure how much you have read of early Thor issues from the Essentials, but sometimes when fighting he would actually role out of the ways of blows. Granted, it still happens now days some, but often he is portrayed as someone who just trades blows for blows with enemies.

I have to say the early stuff I have only skimmed throuhg and not studied with any great detail. In Thor 600 he used Mjolnir to block Bor's attacks rather than just stand there and take it. I think you are right, Thor is unquestionably a major powerhouse, and mostly he can power through his enemies. However some enemies make him work harder than others as is natural. I would love to see Thor fight more tactically though in the comic.

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