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Odin's illegitimate Son

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Khamsin

Subj: Just one comment....
Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 at 01:18:26 am EDT (Viewed 10 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Ares = Thor --how can anyone take Marvel or Marvel's characters and storylines credibly when
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 at 10:45:01 pm EDT (Viewed 17 times)

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you have writers with clear biases and skewed viewpoints given freedom to portray MU characters in any way their biases might point?

Bendis is actually being less-than-honest about this as I believe he actually thinks Ares is greater than Thor --most will recall some threads from a couple of years ago when he expressed that opinion, including confirming that we would see Ares defeat Thor at some time

it is beginning to appear that time is coming

can anyone tell me why I shouldn't believe MU EDit has it out for Thor? how many more of these sorts of things and portrayals are "in the works" --how many more writers with such viewpoints will be working on Thor stories

does Bendis view lend credence to the opinions of Thor fans who have felt and expressed that Seige contained bad showigns for Thor and for Asgardians?

why aren't there a bunch of Pro-Thor authors writing stories showing Thor kicking @$$ at his full potential, showings equalling in number and extreme as those we've been subjected to with Thor on the receiving end?

I think that we all need to grow up here. The leadership at marvel has made the decision that Thor is a second-tier character. It's not a vast anti-Thor conspiracy or a calculated plot hatched by some comic book cabal to upset and frustrate Thor fans. It is an editorial decision made by the people who manage these intellectual properties. And if the editors at Marvel have decided that Ares, the Hulk or Aunt Mae is superior to Thor then that's just the way it is. And if they decide to revise continuity and re-imagine old Avengers adventures (like they have recently) to show the Hulk capable of defeating Thor plus all the original Avengers or show Ultimate Thor as second tier as well, what can we do about it?

We can deal with Thor as he is now in 2009 or not. Referencing the "original intent" of Stan and Jack is pointless. Pointing out Thor feats of power and strength is useless. Complaining about inconsistency in writing or why Thor is often portrayed as a no-fighting blockhead is also useless. No amount of complaining will help the matter. Either buy the books and accept them for what they are or stop buying/reading and discover another pastime or another favorite character.

I like Thor's new look but don't always like his portrayals--oh well. This is analogous to being a Montreal Canadiens fan and bemoaning that this team is not like the good old days with Lafleur and Dryden and Shutt and Robinson. And asking why this player isn't more physical or this other player seems afraid to shoot or this goalie couldn't stop a beach ball, etc. This is not 1976-79 and this year's squad just is not that good. So we can either watch the games or watch something else.

Understand that this little missive is not a personal attack, it's just an assessment of reality.


"I like Thor's new look but don't always like his portrayals--oh well. This is analogous to being a Montreal Canadiens fan and bemoaning that this team is not like the good old days with Lafleur and Dryden and Shutt and Robinson. And asking why this player isn't more physical or this other player seems afraid to shoot or this goalie couldn't stop a beach ball, etc. This is not 1976-79 and this year's squad just is not that good. So we can either watch the games or watch something else"

I just have one comment, and leave the rest of what you said alone, and just chuck them to difference of opinions...

Anyway, I think that reading comics, supporting a fictional character is different from supporting a sports team...for one, the former is subject to the whims of the writers and editors, and the latter, well...they can play as hard as they can, but if they lose, it's really out of their hands...

Complaining about a character's portrayal may or may not change things...but consider the following examples:

- Superman fans hated the way Bruce Timm portrayed a less than 'super' man-of-steel, saying that he is not as strong as he is supposed to be...so,after a few heated internet debates... later on in the Superman animated series, he gradually became stronger...in the JLA he beat Darkseid convincingly...and in the last episode, they wrote in that he was holding back this whole time, and when he punched (not holding back) an anti-life equation powered Darkseid, it totally defeated the lord of apokolips.

- Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) fans hated the fact that DC made him into a villain...then killed him off doing a "final" heroic act....that was supposed to be the end for Hal...but loyal fans protested...they wrote their editors...they talked about it in comic conventions...they had internet signature campaigns...and here we are now...Green Lantern Hal Jordan is now DC's hottest hero around, and he headlined a couple of successful dc-wide crossovers (Sinestro Corps, Blackest Night)...and the GL Reborn issues is now considered a contemporary classic...Thanks to Geoff Johns...thanks Geoff!

- Most of Spider-man's fans hated the fact that Marvel tried to replace Peter Parker with Ben Reilly...there were s few internet outrage back then (maybe because the internet was not widely accessible back in the day)...but there were some objections, and Marvel was forced to back-pedal.....I reckon, it's just a matter of time before Marvcel back-pedal again with their brand new day nonsense...they already released a poster showing MJ in a wedding gown reaching out to Spidey...

There really is nothing wrong with talking about a character's portrayal...nor is it futile...there may be a power-that-be lurking around somewhere, and they could potentially do somthing about it. The writers are comic fans also... Just letting things go, without so much as a whimper is a defeatist attitude.


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