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Subj: Re: Ares = Thor --how can anyone take Marvel or Marvel's characters and storylines credibly when
Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 at 12:07:59 am EDT (Viewed 7 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Ares = Thor --how can anyone take Marvel or Marvel's characters and storylines credibly when
Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 at 07:07:18 am EDT (Viewed 15 times)

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    I think that we all need to grow up here. The leadership at marvel has made the decision that Thor is a second-tier character. It's not a vast anti-Thor conspiracy or a calculated plot hatched by some comic book cabal to upset and frustrate Thor fans. It is an editorial decision made by the people who manage these intellectual properties. And if the editors at Marvel have decided that Ares, the Hulk or Aunt Mae is superior to Thor then that's just the way it is. And if they decide to revise continuity and re-imagine old Avengers adventures (like they have recently) to show the Hulk capable of defeating Thor plus all the original Avengers or show Ultimate Thor as second tier as well, what can we do about it?



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    We can deal with Thor as he is now in 2009 or not. Referencing the "original intent" of Stan and Jack is pointless. Pointing out Thor feats of power and strength is useless. Complaining about inconsistency in writing or why Thor is often portrayed as a no-fighting blockhead is also useless. No amount of complaining will help the matter. Either buy the books and accept them for what they are or stop buying/reading and discover another pastime or another favorite character.



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    I like Thor's new look but don't always like his portrayals--oh well. This is analogous to being a Montreal Canadiens fan and bemoaning that this team is not like the good old days with Lafleur and Dryden and Shutt and Robinson. And asking why this player isn't more physical or this other player seems afraid to shoot or this goalie couldn't stop a beach ball, etc. This is not 1976-79 and this year's squad just is not that good. So we can either watch the games or watch something else.



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    Understand that this little missive is not a personal attack, it's just an assessment of reality.


Its not only that, Thor was a first stringer for decades, when characters like Hercules and co, despite being "physically equal" were de.powered and running in limbo for decades as well, like D list characters. It was not really that long ago, that Thor, without even the Odin power, killed Thing and Hulk at the same time with his bare hands. When he ran around on Earth with everyone trying to stop him.

Comic publications are a volatile and cyclical too, no character is always on top and always down either, unless you are called Post Pete Pot, or D-Man. Thorites should really grow up in terms of some of the losses that "could" happen, and act like readers, not fanatics.


I'm not sure most fans liked the de-powering and dumbing-down of hercules, but at least there was an excuse for his de-powering when he was stripped of his immortality --that would be a credible reason for poorer showings and would not necessrily be because of the volatility and cyclical nature of comics -- and Hercules was not intended or introduced into the MU with the purpose of being the best or the top or an A-lister so any improvement on that and on his portrayals benefitted him,

how is raising concern about the quality of any product or character not being grown up? have you not, in your thread pointed to Hercules status, thus raising a concern? these portrayals happened how long ago, and yet you are now raising this example, i.e. concern? but voicing it to me and other concerned Thor fans who have as much input as you or any other boarder not employed by Marvel?

isn't raising concern about concern -as-being-not-grown-up, by it's very definition and objective also not grown up...?

thank you for raising your concern about Thor fans, and for I'd imagine your concerns also voiced to Marvel for portrayals you may not have liked --that's the spirit !




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