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Subj: This is where all the "Thor Clones" muddies the waters.
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 at 01:00:50 pm EST (Viewed 289 times)
Reply Subj: THOR & MJOLNIR... (where does the power REALLY come from?)
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 at 12:02:16 pm EST (Viewed 402 times)

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A question was asked over on the Battle Board. Kinda hoping you all over here can give some commentary about it. The question was about where the real power lies... In Thor... or in Mjolnir.

I do not intend this to be a versus thread, so please don't treat it as such. However, this is what I think, and want to know if anyone agrees with the logic or not, and why.....

Recently, Thor was battling to save Asgard when the Skrulls attacked.

During that battle, Thor tossed Mjolnir to Bill to show everyone that Bill was not a Skrull, and Bill used Mjolnir to power himself up.

I believe that the enchantment grants an exact duplication of the powers of Thor. No division of those powers, no loss of powers on behalf of Thor when another gains the powers. Just an exact copy of the powers contained within the hammer, IF you are worthy, of course, which we all know Bill is.

So this tells me the powers are contained in the Hammer, and are specifically powers that the Hammer grants to the wielder. Which also tells me that they aren't inherrent in Thor, but in the Hammer.

Whatever Thor's personal powers are due to his being born from the union of Odin/Gaea, they are different than what the Hammer grants him when he is in possession of the Hammer. Why? Because I do not see Thor doing most of the various things that he does with the hammmer, when he is not in possession of the Hammer.

Thor does not create mystical vortices without the hammer in hand.
Thor does not channel anti-particles unless he has the hammer in hand.
Thor does not fly unless Mjolnir is in his hand.
Thor does not open dimensional portals or spacial rifts unless Mjolnir is in hand.
Thor does not create barriers or shields unless Mjolnir is in hand.
Thor doesn't absorb power sources (such as Pangoria's magnetic energy, Magneto's personal magnetic field, Skywalkers cosmic raging tempest, Pluto's deadly fire flame, Magic spells, etc....) thrown at him unless Mjolnir is in hand.
Thor never goes invisible or intangible on his own, but can when he has Mjolnir in hand.

The list goes on. So clearly the power resides in the Hammer. Not himself. Because he is never shown demonstrating these powers on his own without Mjolnir. He only demonstrates them when Mjolnir is in hand.

Some things we have seen Thor do on his own, like weather manipulation, channel Thunder and Lightning, stuff like that, because it's been clearly said those are inherrent powers, and can be done irregardless of whether Mjolnir is in hand or not.

Plus, I should remind you that Thor was once unworthy to wield Mjolnir and could NOT power up, wasn't he?. If those powers were IN Thor, then he wouldn't need Mjolnir to power up with.

So Mjolnir isn't just a conduit. Mjolnir is the source of many of the powers that Thor demonstrates.

Your thoughts?

Essentially Thor and Mjolnir are two halves of the same being, there intrinsic to each other. Is Thor as effective without Mjolnir as he is with it? Obviously not but at the same time it was meant that only Thor would be able to use those powers anyways. This is where Bill, Red, Eric, Dargo, and whoever else who has wielded Mjolnir takes away the bond that Thor and Mjolnir have, each although worthy were never actually meant to have those powers and they even state it, with perhaps the exception of Bill now since he has his own hammer and maybe Red. As for where the power comes from, this is where Norse Myth is different from say the Greek ones. Each God serves a purpose and more or less had a pre-determined fate. There has to be a "Odin", there has to be a "Thor" as there has to be a "Loki". We have seen Odin grant other beings the power of Thor because Thor has or had before the cycle of Ragnarok ended, a purpose or destiny to fulfill. Where that power comes from to power beings besides Thor is probably from Odin when he enchanted the hammer so that set of "Thor power" resides in the hammer but is separate from Thor's power. So yeah Thor needs Mjolnir to do some of his more exotic powers but on the other hand ONLY Thor can make Mjolnir do those things, well for the most part.

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