Quote:As I recall, that scene has been referenced on numerous occasions by those seeking a low showing for Thor. It has been widely recognized that Walt, while having Thor very strong, had him quite vulnerable to heat and sharp objects. Consider that Kurse (Algrim) is likewise at risk for death even though at the time, he was comparable to Thor in strength and Thor was at a disadvantage against BRB when they fought due to the surrounding heat.
Quote:But consider that there are useful contradictions to that scene, specifically as written by Stan and Jack themselves:
Also, there is an element of the discussion that should be recognized. Tom Brevoort declared all of those writers, including those who were writing the character before he was even working in the comic industry as having made "mistakes". On the other hand, I have not seen anywhere where Walt Simonson has ever declared any writer who shows Thor as resistant to lava as having made a "mistake".
Even when Kurt Busiek declared the few writers who have shown Thor as bulletproof as "wrong", he actually had more evidence to do so. For example, he actually referenced Walt's issues to support this. But Tom cannot reference Walt's writing to support his assertion and Walt is widely viewed as Thor's greatest writer.
I'm sure there are contradictions. I also agree that, at least this time, Tom B. said something that is obviously not making sense in regard to continuity as your scan demonstrated. I'm not seeking to nail Thor down at all. However, the free haters call flying because Tom said something unpopular and/or false happens way too often and easily. Let's be honest, if another person would have said/wrote what Walt just wrote here, the hate accusations would most likely have been flying around too. I'm not glad you posted that scan because I want to bash on Thor. I'm glad you posted that scan because I'll be that much more better equipped when I will eventually face yet another fanatical branch on this board or another. It's some posters extreme ideas that I seek to oppose, not Thor.
I agree that Tom doesn't "hate" Thor. Neither does Busiek and, of course, not Walt. I really see it as him making a somewhat futile effort to justify the events of the fight with Red Hulk. There seems to be multiple things Thor could have done other than just hold on to Mjolnir while Red Hulk pulled him into space and beat him with the hammer. Summoning Mjolnir is one option (letting go of the hammer before leaving the atmosphere is another) and this clear option is why, I believe, he is insisting that others before him were mistaken in showing Thor summoning Mjolnir.
I think that we had a similar situation with whether Marvel: The End was in continuity. It clearly was written as such, yet after Starlin was gone Tom needed to reestablish The End books as consistantly non-continuity. So he put forth the "similar events" in the mainstream MU reasoning. I believe that in both situations, Tom let a writer do as he wanted, then ended up doing damage control after.
But I see your point.