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Hatman

In Reply To
Ron

Subj: Re: My rankings...
Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 at 09:07:45 am CST (Viewed 73 times)
Reply Subj: Re: My rankings...
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 at 09:16:19 pm CST (Viewed 9 times)



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    I love Fraction! You just don't know what to expect. He definitely not even close to being the best Thor writer but it's been fun so far.

    He's come up with new ideas on Thor that make me want to see where he's going with it. Yes, he needs to learn from Simonson how to end a story.


I think he has some fun concepts, but the execution is very lacking, not just the endings.


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    As far as Thor being brutish, read Norse mythology, he is! Although I enjoyed the "Shakespeare" speaking Thor, he is supposed to be the deity of the common man not poets.


That's Norse myth Thor, not Marvel Thor. Under JMS and Gillen we've had a more reserved Thor, one who chose his words carefully and the ramifications of his actions. If Fraction had done a transition to a more brutish Thor, I'd be okay with that, but it was like he flipped a switch.

And Fraction still can't decide if he wants a brutish Thor or a poet, as you say. For example, while fighting the Silver Surfer, Thor flips from pedestrian phrases like "I'll kill you for that Surfer" with "-endles bloviating bores me to tears-". If Thor is going to speak in a more pedestrian tongue, then don't try and shove words like "bloviating" in there. It sounds like Fraction learned a new word and wanted to show it off so he shoe-horned it in (I'm sure that's not the actual case, but that's how it comes off to me).

It's not just Thor's dialogue that is bad, the dialogue in general has been poor; I cringed at some of the things the Silver Surfer said during that fight too.



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    I have enjoyed seeing Thor "beat" Galactus again and fight the Surfer (someone in his own league). I have been so thrilled to see Karnilla again and Ulik. And who can't say they didn't shout "finally" when Thor knocked out NUL/Hulk. I didn't think it was a good idea to brink back Loki but you have to admit Journey Into Mystery is a great comic that is actually better that Mighty Thor and many other comics out there.


I've maintained quite publicly that Journey Into Mystery is one of the best books Marvel puts out, but that has nothing to do with Fraction. That is all Kieron Gillen, and I think it's more a case of Gillen making lemonade with Fraction's lemons.


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    Without Fraction bringing him back it wouldn't be possible to have such a great comic. Sure there's plenty of continuity and logic problems but this is fiction.


But that's just it, if you are going to write an ongoing title, and one of the premier characters of the company, you can't just ignore continuity. In a mini-series like Fraction's Ages of Thunder you can play a little looser, but not in the main continuity. I'm not saying Fraction needs to go back to the Stan and Jack days, but he basically has ignored what JMS and Gillen did before him, and that's too recent to just ignore. Otherwise why are we reading serialized fiction?


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    And I also enjoy reading this site now because people are quick to point out negatives faster than they are on positives which means I get spoilers (which I love) before an issue comes out.


I'm not sure how that's a positive for Fraction...if the negatives are that apparent it's not a good thing.


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    As far as you dropping Thor I say good. You should buy only what you like. I bought very few post Simonson/pre Jurgens Thor and the latter part of Jurgen's run. You and many Thor fans not buying will force Fraction to improve or for Marvel to cancel the title. But since Thor is such a great character his comic will always be brought back if it's ever cancelled. I think if Fraction has Odin fight Galactus again we'll all get our money's worth.


I like your optimism, but I doubt we'll see Odin and Galactus again for quite awhile, it's not a bout that you see (nor should you see) on a regular basis.

~Hat~


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