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jazzbass6

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Subj: Re: I guess it depends on...
Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 at 05:41:28 pm CST (Viewed 199 times)
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    As I said: Tool/Focus item/Weapon

    Flying-tool, God Blast-focus item, Weather-focus item, Combat-Weapon, etc...
    Oeming's Disassembled said it best in his fight with Durok: Thor-"I've leaned on the power of Mjolnir too often! A hammer is but a tool! Even Mjolnir! But I am a God! God of Thunder..."
    Mjolnir is the most powerful weapon of mythology and in the Marvel Universe, but Thor is God of Thunder regardless of Mjolnir, not because of it.
     

I know Oeming's dialog and I think it's all nice and well in the context of a last story about the character since there are no consequences to write whatever you want. That being said, I truly think that what Oeming did or implied, in the context of a non-ending story, is a "bad" thing. I certainly can't see how it's so irrelevant to Thor in the end while at the same time remaining "Marvel's most powerful weapon". For me you can't have it all. If the hammer is merely a focus and not a huge source of power for the character, because the real power is the character, then the legend of the hammer suffers. At least from my POV. OTOH, if Thor becomes the only one eligible to the power Mjolnir grant the greatness of the hammer is saved and Thor remain as powerful and as unique. 

What I find ironic is, many apparently resent Thor not having more innate powers because they feel a "god", with the label "god of thunder", should not depend on anything to live up to his moniker (to feel more "godly") but at the same time, AFAIK, and I might be wrong about it, the mythological Thor was depending on his hammer even more than that.  To so much as lift it and use it , he even needed his belt and gauntlets. If I'm not mistaken, at least a large part of what gave him his "god of thunder" moniker was the fact he was alone capable of lifting and using Mjolnir. The least that can be said is, the hammer was heavily relevant and not merely a focus.



From www.timelessmyths.com/norse and Myths of the Norsemen From the Eddas and Sagas by H.A. Guerber

"Thor (from Old Norse Þórr) is a hammer-wielding god associated with thunder, lightning, storms, strength,and the protection of mankind. Thor was always depicted as a massive and strong bearded man with his mighty war-hammer Mjolnir that he can use to create thunderbolts. Mjolnir was a powerful weapon, which was used by throwing the hammer at an enemy. The hammer would always return magically to his hands." 
 
"Mjolnir was the strongest weapon in the world. It would not fail to hit any target, either struck at or thrown at. If the hammer were thrown, it would always return to Thor's hand, after striking its target...Mjolnir was the best gift, since it gave the greatest chance against the giants at Ragnarok."

"Thor wields the mountain-crushing hammer, Mjölnir, wears the belt Megingjörð and the iron gloves Járngreipr."

"As he was God of Thunder, Thor alone was never allowed to pass over Bifrost, lest he should set it aflame by the heat of his presence".

So his "dependency" on Mjolnir in the myths was purely in regard to combat with giants and not in his being God of Thunder (but it didn't hurt either). But, it has been stated  and illustrated in one of the early JIM by Lee, Leiber and Kirby, (issue # eludes me right now) plus other instances in the comics, that he CAN create lightning without Mjolnir.
Also, I am quite O.K. with Thor as he is power-wise, I don't think he needs anything more. I wasn't even too thrilled when he had the Odinforce. I liked when JMS took it away when Thor and Dr. Strange "fixed" Mjolnir.

So as I said: Damned if you do and Damned if you don't.
 


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