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Subj: Re: Not really.
Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 at 04:55:50 pm EST (Viewed 136 times)
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 at 01:26:45 pm EST (Viewed 31 times)

    Stan was recounting how he wanted to top his strongest creation, so he created a character based on a "god", supposedly stronger than the strongest mortal (hulk). Reed was not mentioned, at all.

"But what was left to invent? Who could be stronger than The Hulk? Who could be smarter than Mr. Fantastic? We already had a kid who could fly, one who could walk on walls and ceilings, and a female who could fade away whenever danger threatened--or whenever the artist ran out of ink. As you can see, we were hooked on superlatives at that time, always trying to come up with characters who were bigger, better, stronger. However, we had painted ourselves into a corner. The only one who could top the heroes we already had would be Super-God..." -- Origins of Marvel Comics, 1974

The 2002 version:

"I thought it would be fun to invent someone as powerful as, or perhaps even more powerful than, the Incredible Hulk. But how do you make someone stronger than the strongest human? It finally came to me; don't make him a human--make him a god." -- Excelsior! The Amazing Life of Stan Lee, 2002

The first sentence is usually omitted when this is quoted.

Whatever Stan Lee intended when he was coming up with the idea for Thor, all that matters is what made it to the comics. The argument for Thor being stronger than the Hulk at any point rests on one issue-- Avengers #3. But that is contradicted soon after.

Unless I'm mistaken, Avengers #3 is also prior to the Hulk's dynamic strength being established. I believe the first reference to the Hulk getting stronger was a few months later in FF #25.

    When did Stan "quickly" closed the window for Thor? Thor 319? Again, the Hulk had to hostage a girl just to get Thor to throw away the hammer. That's pretty much established. You mean how Hulk "pummeled" Thor? yeah, after he got sucker punched. But the Hulk still failed to get the KO, and when thor's hammer returned, Thor, instead of using it against the Hulk, threw it again and challeneged the Hulk. I think that is pretty badass. It didn't really settle anything. If the Hulk has had a clear advantage over Thor, it's the more recent fights...but definitely not by Stan Lee.

In Avengers #5, he wrote that only Mjolnir had the power to match a blow from the Hulk. That's 2 issues later and taken at face value it means the Hulk would have to be stronger than Thor. In JIM #112 which revisited their fight in Avengers #3, they were portrayed as so closely matched that Thor admitted he did not know who was stronger. Then there's the many times that Stan referred to the Hulk as the strongest being on Earth.

You meant #385. And actually, Thor is shown throwing the hammer at the Hulk in the end, while claiming he won't use it. I write that off as an artistic mistake or Stan putting in dialogue that didn't match the scene. \:\)

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