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Shango of The Oshiras

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Subj: Re: I consider myself a major Thor fan...
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 at 07:57:32 pm CST (Viewed 101 times)
Reply Subj: I consider myself a major Thor fan...
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 at 07:39:09 pm CST (Viewed 143 times)

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I love reading his exploits and adventures, but the guy you are describing does not sound like the Thor I know. And I have read pretty much all the Thor that is there to read. While I might not remember every detail I do not recall Thor ever being all that you are claiming in that statement.

Odin has more sons than just Thor and many of them are far below their father in terms of power. Adding an Elder god brings Thor to the level we know, but really seems to just have physically enhanced him, it never gave him some additional uber power so he is a skyfather plus sort of being.

As for his battle experience, I have defended this at times and other times am not so sure. A war hammer is not a finesse weapon, you hit hard with it and things go down. He is skilled but I think his skill is different than other heroes. I do think he is highly skilled in multiple forms of combat but I would not say that he is the equal of the characters that do that sort of thing for a living. Battle experience in and of itself makes one better able to survive combat and win but it does not mean it will be pretty when it happens.

I would also argue against super speed. I think he is faster than a normal person is for sure but to what degree is hard to say. He definatly is not as quick as even second rate speedsters. In terms of straight flight speed he is fast, but that is not the same as reflex speed and the like.

And the sheer disrespect to the MU as a whole that some Thor fans like to show at times makes me consider that some of the negative towards us as a group is warranted. You and others keep pointing to these instances that happened some time ago. I enjoyed the stories as much as anyone but to hold those examples as the end all be all of what Thor should be is falicy. And to assume that every other character must always obey and fall into some mold only you understand makes no sense to me.

It just sounds to me like nothing would make you happier than a Thor so powerful than he solves all problems on his own and defeats all comers easily. All survive because Thor wills it so. And to me that defeats the purpose. If Thor is so powerful he has to fight guys like Galactus, Ego, Elders and such all of the time he would be so borring that no one would ever care about him. I know I would not. I love his big cosmic feats both modern and back in the day but we also have to understand that Thor is who he is. He is not God in the MU. He has admitted himself to being unable to defeat foes before and this is not the result of bad writting. Some folks are just that tough.

I will agree that I would like to see Thor get a bit more love in modern times but I am not looking for him easily beating Hulk. I would love to see him with a clean win over the guy but it does not have to be at the snap of his fingers.

As for Surfer and Thor, Surfer at the get go was not even as strong as the Thing. It is no wonder he had to be amped. Recall that he was also involved with restorying BRB back to power by artifically making portion of the Odin force on his own. Times change, why some peoples opinions never do is beyond me.

If Thor beat everyone easily he would have to be in a pocket universe akin to the original Sentry mini series. And although interesting in a mini we see what happens to supposidly uber characters when they get brought into the fold.

Just so uninteresting Thor is as a character if he was what some wanted.



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      Is this, they really don't have anyone who can truly stand up to him in terms of pure strength or even just raw power without them augmenting said opponent and thus reneging on what was previously cannonized. For instance, its a known fact that Loki had to augment The Silver Surfer to bring him even close to Thor's abilities, but Marvel now attempts to try and make it look like The Surfer is actually greater in terms of power than Thor. This is strictly the writers who chose to change what has already been established to fit their own will(and its also why Wolverine has like 13 origins). The easiest thing for Marvel to do would be to remember why Thor was originally created by Stan Lee,.. To be stronger than the hulk. Period. Point Blank. End of story. One day they'll get it right again.



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    If you would create a character that it's the son of arguably the most powerful Sky-Lord ever created in comics, and his mother being Earth's Elder goddess O'Gea. Then, you make him a warrior with centuries of battle experiences with incomparable strength and endurance (that can make him last for weeks or months w/o rest), and super-natural speed. Then, you give that character a hammer empowered by his Father capable of defeating the likes of Ego (who has defeated Galactus in the past) in record time, and even the likes of Surtur with a terrifying imploding mystical Hurricane; plus, the fact that said hammer can break through a Celestial Armor- you'll say- who the heck is gonna beat that guy? People, particularly those WHO ARE NOT Thor's fans, don't understand how powerful Thor supposed to be. Then you see Thor fighting someone like the Hulk with literally no fighting skills, no superior speed, etc. to speak of- and NONE of these people can even come to grips with the facts as to why is this so- if in fact Thor has so much experience as Marvel indicated in the first Marvel vs. DC crossover. You see, either he has fighting skills as he once displayed vs. the Absorbing Man or he does NOT- CAN'T HAVE BOTH WAYS!! This is what's really frustrating, and what's turning people off...



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    How can a character like Thor has difficulty in defeating the Hulk and others like him that are vastly less powerful than he is, and equally less skilled.... How can anyone make perfect sense of this...?




Actually No. I just want Thor to basically show himself to be at the level that he was intended to be. I mean, do you see Superman or Iron Man fight beings beneath them and struggle? No, that's why I find it so disheartening that I have to see Thor struggle so.


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