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Subj: Re: Yes, I would say so
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 at 06:17:57 pm EST (Viewed 187 times)
Reply Subj: Yes, I would say so
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 at 02:59:02 pm EST (Viewed 218 times)

    The Ragnarok Cycle is complicated, but I'll do my best to outline what we know. Every two thousand years or so, all the gods die in Ragnarok which feeds TWSAIS and the gods are then reborn soon afterwards. The gods seem to be literally born again to their mothers as we see several gods being born as their current versions such as Thor.

I don't think the two thousand years timeline is relevant in modern continuity, if it was ever relevant. The Shadow Gods themselves may no longer be relevant. They could merely be parasites of the cycle, not its originators. We know that the Fates, which were originally empowered by the Shadow Gods, are no longer tied to those entities and appear to be completely different kinds of beings post-Ragnarok.

There's also a strong indication that the Shadow Gods were actually Beyonders; or at least that's how Odin perceived the Beyonders during that whole event.

    The Thor that we all know and love who first appeared in Journey into Mystery #83 has never been reborn in the Ragnarok cycle. Unlike previous versions of Thor, he managed to see the Ragnarok cycle (thanks to Odin's plans) and broke the cycle forever. Any returns from death are now completely separate from Ragnarok.

I would say Thor was reborn after Ragnarok, whether he died or not. The Thor who appeared at the beginning of the JMS run had only a portion of the Odin-Power, had both eyes, and didn't appear to have any of the mystical knowledge accrued during Ragnarok. It's been a long time since I read that run, and I never re-read it, so let me know if I missed anything.

    For example, after Fear Itself, Thor returns to life by fighting hs way out of the afterlife with the same version of Thor dying, awaking, and emerging. After breaking the cycle, Thor also says that he remembers every moment of his previous lives so at this point all versions of Thor are as close to being the same as they have ever been

The last part is not reliable, since even if Thor remembers his past life, what he remembers is not necessarily the version experienced by the 'classic Thor' (assuming for the sake of argument they are separate beings). That was kind of my point. When gods are reborn through this method, their histories are seamlessly woven into continuity, as if that version of history had always been correct. And it is not necessarily incorrect, as time and history to the World Tree are fluid.

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