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Late Great Donald Blake
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Norvell

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Subj: This seems an awful lot like a dodge.
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 at 12:47:17 pm EST (Viewed 144 times)
Reply Subj: Factually incorrect, you're a goal-post mover.
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 at 10:49:09 am EST (Viewed 165 times)

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    And like I asked before, which of these you've listed do you think is your strongest criticism?


This is a new ask, thus moving the goal post. Your original assertion was that I was making a factual claim, not stating my opinion. I swatted down that absurd notion, then you said that I had not substantiated my opinion. I just did, and now you're saying that I have to pick out the strongest example. I have never seen such goal-post moving in such a short period of time.

It's also a red herring, since it's the combination of criticisms that equal my opinion, not the strongest one.



This is a new ask, thus moving the goal post. Your original assertion was that I was making a factual claim, not stating my opinion. I swatted down that absurd notion, then you said that I had not substantiated my opinion. I just did, and now you're saying that I have to pick out the strongest example. I have never seen such goal-post moving in such a short period of time.

LGDB: I explain the difference to you early on in the thread. I was never saying it was an issue of fact versus opinion. My point has always been about what your opinion is characterizing: your feelings and preferences vs the quality of the writing. If you and anyone would like to go back you'll see that I say this early and you dismiss it out of hand, either not understanding it or saying language doesn't work that way. Now whether you think you addressed it or not, the point is that's the post. It's never not been the post and it hasn't moved. And people here can read in the thread that's a post that hasn't changed.

And by swatted down the notion you mean just repeatedly try to ignore a distinction I was making and then finally we're here. Btw, if my swatting something down you mean you don't have an argument so you just say "that's absurd" then yes. You did that.

And let's be perfectly clear: when you provide evidence for something it has to be ACTUAL evidence. And someone disputing evidence, by definition isn't moving a post. It's like a ghost hunter showing you hours of blurry footage and saying, "what I've substantiated my claim!?" Me asking you for an argument or evidence; you say you have provided a strong critique; you showing me multiple links where you don't do that; and then me saying yeah that's not really you substantiating anything isn't moving the goal post. It's arguing you haven't gotten to the goal post. I mean think about that for a second: If two people are arguing, one person asks for evidence, and the other presents it, you think that if the first person disputes said evidence that's automatically moving the goal post? I mean, that's a pretty irrational standard
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It's also a red herring, since it's the combination of criticisms that equal my opinion, not the strongest one.


LGDB: I agree, I meant the strongest one. So I wouldn't literally have to demonstrate on everything you've written or be accused of picking a weak or nonrepresentative example.
The point was for you to give me what you take to be your strongest argument and I'll see if I can dispute it or demonstrate what I mean about your conflation of preference and writing quality. And instead we're on this Easter egg hunt.

You said in our earlier discussion that you had written essays and I ask to see one and you post a bunch of links of not essays. And I'm sorry but adding a bunch of posts that are just bullet points to a reply doesn't just BECOME an essay, anymore than taking a bunch of tweets and copy-pasting them together doesn't make them a book. It's not just a nominal difference either. An essay, especially a critical one would actually you be describing in detail the features and functions of the piece of work and explaining how all that warrants your conclusion that the writing doesn't work or is of a poor quality. Most of these are a list of feelings and judgments you had while reading the comics. They're just like your reading notes from class. How do you think that would count as an argument?

Either way just pick the one that you think is the strongest (meaning the least just about your mere preference), and I'll show everyone what I'm talking about.

cheers,
---the late great Donald Blake



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