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Late Great Donald Blake
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Upper_Krust

Member Since: Fri Aug 21, 2015
Subj: I can't dude, I got these durn feefees! Send help!
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 at 12:26:35 pm EST (Viewed 84 times)
Reply Subj: Unclench, deep breaths...
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 at 05:44:55 am EST (Viewed 88 times)

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    LGDB is OPENLY saying we cannot criticize ANYONE (such as Donny Cates) unless we also have the same profession.



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    LGDB: OH I am definitely not saying THAT lol


Glad to hear you have changed your tune.


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    People who can't do it or even established they understand it regularly tell people are who successful professionals how crappy they are at it. Similar to out of shape sports fans screaming at some of the best athletes in the world lol

    And I think that's more tightly analogous with someone who can't or doesn't write telling other people they make their living off of it that there work is crap. I mean would anyone actually dispute it takes vastly more talent and more balls to make something and put it out their, than to go around not contributing and anonymously talking about how this that is awful and doesn't meet your so called high standards?


Be interesting to hear you clarify your new position then.


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    You're voicing your opinion on Cates - LGDB is saying you don't have the RIGHT or AUTHORITY to do that...plus you might hurt Donny's fee-fees.



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    LGDB: no what hurts my "fees-fees" is doing multiple combat tours in Iraq but being called a bitch cause I think this guy doesn't have an actual argument lol No respect, I tells ya! lol


I don't recall ever calling you a bitch and while I am not American; thanks for your service.

However, you don't need to be a writer to understand storytelling and characterization. Just like Donny Cates doesn't need to be a 6'6" blond immortal to write Thor. Just like Stan Lee doesn't need to be an African Prince to write Black Panther. Just like an overweight fan might actually have a greater knowledge of football than a player. Just like Norvell might have a better understanding of Thor comic lore than say Donny Cates. Just like Siskel & Ebert can critique movies without needing to be Directors themselves.


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    But forreal... stop attributing to me your ideas of what woke libs get butthurt about on line to me. I'm not woke or a lib: I'm against cancel culture (which is real). Just because you have these political axes to grind doesn't mean I'm on the opposite side of them. Hell I don't even think Trump should have gotten kicked off Twitter.
    Lol


Based on your previous posts you seem to get butt-hurt about Donny being criticized.


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    I'm not talking about RIGHTS at all. I HATE censorship, I think more speech is the answer to good speech. I think people should be encouraged to be MORE resilient to ideas they don't like. Not less.


Which seems at odds with your above quotes in bold.


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    We disagree about about politics and comics, but can we at least properly diagnose what kind of moron, crazy person I AM!? lol


I don't think that's either of the pertinent issues.

1. Can we criticise Donny...yes we can. The question then becomes whether individual critiques can hold up to scrutiny.
2. In my opinion you never get good results when a writer hates a character they are writing and that's purely down to the current political climate.

Glad to hear you have changed your tune.

LGDB: um this was never not my tune lol



Be interesting to hear you clarify your new position then


LGDB: I think I did. And it's not a new position. It's one I started with. What's unclear to you?

You mischarecterizing my position and then me clarifying is it, isn't me changing the position. It's like if you assume I'm from Ohio when I've just described somethingy you associate with Ohio, I tell you I'm from Georgia, and now you're asking me when I moved. Lol




I don't recall ever calling you a bitch and while I am not American; thanks for your service.

LGDB: yeah I was joking about the fee fees line lol




However, you don't need to be a writer to understand storytelling and characterization. Just like Donny Cates doesn't need to be a 6'6" blond immortal to write Thor. Just like Stan Lee doesn't need to be an African Prince to write Black Panther. Just like an overweight fan might actually have a greater knowledge of football than a player. Just like Norvell might have a better understanding of Thor comic lore than say Donny Cates. Just like Siskel & Ebert can critique movies without needing to be Directors themselves.


LGDB:first your mixing up the idea that needing to know how to write in order to understand writing is the same as needing to be a thing to write about it. I'm not saying either, but definitely not the latter. And they're not analogous. As a matter of fact when someone writes a story especially a fictional one, no one is holding the writing to the standard that they have some expertise into being that thing (unless that's the conceit of the book. Buy when someone criticizes a piece of writing (beyond just I like it or not) one would assume they know something about writing such that they can judge it good or bad with greater objective authority. And more importantly you'd expect a good argument.

And I'm not saying you CAN'T know anything about writing if you don't write. I'm saying that the vast majority of people who criticize writing with exactly zero humility are criticizing something they absolutely can't do, haven't done and many cqses probably couldn't do. Which is pretty Kreuger-Dunning if you ask me. But I'm generalizing here. I don't think categorically if you don't write, you can't understand writing. My main argument with Norvell and with you else where isn't that you're not qualified to have an opinion. It's that your opinion isn't substantiated by anything but your own preferences (roughly speaking). This was an aside. And Norvell's criticism btw isn't that Donny Cates understands lore less. It's that he's a crappy writer. And I don't think knowing a lot of Thor lore can be equated with being a good writer.




Based on your previous posts you seem to get butt-hurt about Donny being criticized.

LGDB: I find it kinda funny here that you've just decided to ascribe these feelings to me here, like I'm not a person you can just ask lol To me this has zero to do about feelings and everything to do with the argument. If I have feelings about this, it'd be annoyance lol






Which seems at odds with your above quotes in bold.

LGDB: only if you conflate having the right to express an opinion with knowing what you're talking about. I'm not doing that.



I don't think that's either of the pertinent issues.

1. Can we criticise Donny...yes we can. The question then becomes whether individual critiques can hold up to scrutiny.

LGDB: yeah this is also my position



2. In my opinion you never get good results when a writer hates a character they are writing and that's purely down to the current political climate.


LGDB: yeah but where do you get this idea that the writers at hand hate these characters?




cheers,
--- the late great Donald Blake






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