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Subj: Agreed. My favorite Marvel era was the Jim Shooter era and shortly afterward
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 at 04:32:14 pm EST (Viewed 65 times)
Reply Subj: Part of why Manga / Anime work...
Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2022 at 07:29:35 am EST (Viewed 77 times)

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    Why can Manga get it right but Marvel (and DC) can't?

Manga and anime are usually created by a single person, or based on the work of a single person or small group of people.

One Piece (which I'm a fan of) works because it represents the work of a single person and his vision. There is no shared universe; no previous continuity; no restrictions on content (outside of standard publishing restrictions). Oda creates the rules and maintain character personalities.

This gets back to the reason why the first 4-5 seasons of Game of Thrones worked, and why the latter seasons failed. The latter seasons were based on George Martin's work, but diverged and went in different directions.

A case could actually be made that Cates and Aaron are treating the properties as if they are manga/anime. They treat the sandbox as if they created it, rather than just play in it. Thus, when they turn an existing franchise upside down and inside down to fit their approach to writing, it doesn't work as well as it would if they originated the franchise.

In addition, Oda (One Piece) is a far better writer than Cates and Aaron.***

***JUST MY OPINION, LGDB. Don't go postal on me.

because even though many creators hated him (especially John Byrne), he made sure there was a cohesive vision and made sure that there was enough internal consistency for continuity to matter without it being a complete straightjacket.

The MCU has mostly been the same way, and has maintained a high level of popularity, though IMO some of the more recent movies and such are starting to fray the internal consistency around the edges. Post Endgame, the alternate showings and other references to Thanos downplay his personal power way too much (for the guy who physically beat down the Hulk).

The DBZ effect worked in DBZ for a while, but ever ramping up of Saiyan power levels lead to too much power creep later in the DBZ era, though the Super anime did a better job of keeping older characters relevant....but the DBZ effect of just powering the right characters up by throwing a new threat, and keeping on powering up ad infinitem is a formula that I DO consider lazy writing, and if it goes too far you paint yourself into a corner.

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