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Subj: If I respond to your inquiry right now I'll probably mysteriously vanish (be BANNED) before we can finish our discussion.
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 at 03:16:44 pm EST (Viewed 147 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Why would you get banned?
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 at 08:19:29 am EST (Viewed 101 times)

Not that I care really, I'm barely on this message board anymore, no impact to my life whatsoever.

    I apologize in advance if I miss anything, the quote function is kind of a mess…

My apologizes as well as I tried to utilize the quote function in my last post to answer each of your individual statements but it didn't go as well as I expected.

    Odin used a chunk of Uru to imprison the Mother Storm, he won but whether that was a display of superior power is very open to interpretation, IMO.
    They fought for a long time and seemed equal until Odin pulled the Uru trick.
    Since the entrapment in Uru was the method of victory I think it begs the question: could Odin have defeated the Storm on his own?
    I don’t think the story made it clear either way.
    I say equals because I saw it as Odin breaking their days long deadlock through well-timed strategy and the use of a McGuffin rather than through superior personal power.

Trick? How is it a trick when it's within your arsenal of weapons and resources to utilize against a foe?

I don't remember the battle going the way as you see it. Odin won the battle because the Mother Storm grew tired and weak breaking the stalemate. Sure it took time, but in the end the Odin Power was shown to be superior.

At that point Odin was in charge and probably could have destroyed the Tempest but instead decided to encase/imprison it in Uru to use it's power for his benefit. Although that plan didn't work (well yes and no depending on who's telling the story, Aaron or Thor cannon), Odin typically has done similar things over the ages against foes who wielded tremendous power (Mangog immediately comes to mind). Instead of choosing to kill, he's used a nobler decision to subdue his enemy. Not always, but there is a track record of him doing so, right?

    What’s telling to me is that Aaron portrayed Odin as not fully understanding how he even accomplished the feat and utterly powerless to control the newly forged Mjolnir because of the Mother Storm's power and influence.
    Even when Aaron gave Odin a W he couldn’t resist tearing him down later in the very same issue.

I'll have to re-read that issue but I didn't get that sentiment at all. Odin was fully in control of the situation when he accomplished the feat.

In the beginning after Mjolnir was forged and the Mother Storm imprisoned within it, Odin put his enchantments on it because he couldn't wield it. Which BTW we all know is plain silly as shown in Thor Cannon, he wielded the hammer numerous times with no problems. Hence your grievance with the whole Tempest fiasco, I know, I know, and agree with it.

But the point I'm making here is the Mother Storm was not only initially imprisoned by a creation of Odin, his enchantments rendered the Tempest completely subdued to the point it wasn't active for centuries afterwards (referring back to my plain silly comment above).

    The Mother Storm was imprisoned into the chunk of Uru that was forged into Mjolnir. The Mother Storm entrapment predated the forging of Mjolnir.

Yes, thanks for that, for some reason I remembered the story differently.

    IMO, Aaron’s run proved that the Mother Storm either fueled or hijacked Odin’s enchantments (or likely both).
    The Mother Storm could choose who was worthy (including Odin), who it flew for — how well it flew for them, etc.

Yes in total agreement even though of course there was never any explanation as to why all of a sudden this was possible.

    I'm referring to the time Odin first tried to use the freshly forged Mjolnir and the Mother Storm (via Mjolnir) nearly destroyed Asgard while it dragged Odin around helplessly. Odin proved powerless to wield or control Mjolnir unless the Mother Storm cooperated.
    We saw Mjolnir blatantly defy and/or overpower Odin numerous times under Aaron while historically Odin had complete mastery over Mjolnir’s enchantments since they were solely products of his power.

Correct Sir! But Odin forced it's cooperation by placing the enchantments on the hammer, which by no other explanation I can think of right now, knocked the God Tempest out for centuries allowing Odin to wield the hammer numerous times over the ages as shown in the pages of Thor.

How else can it be explained then, when the times Mjolnir was broken, this Mother Storm wasn't released then? Or the time Dr.Strange, the Master of the Mystic Arts didn't detect it's presence, active or inactive due to Odin's enchantments--when he bonded the hammer to Thor's lifeforce as a consequence of repairing the hammer?

    Cates clean up a mess? That will be the first time he's done so at Marvel. Cates is Aaron's self-professed protege and names Aaron's Thor run as his “all time favorite” comic run, don't hold your breath for Cates to clean anything of Aaron's up.

Yes but how else is this going to end? Thor will get the hammer back without the Storm being around to circumvent the enchantments right?

    He may bring a everything back to status quo but he’s the one the shook it up in ridiculous fashion to begin with.

Cates Or Aaron? Aaron was the one who brought the total nonsense into the pages of Thor.

    I personally don’t expect Cates to clean anything up, he adores Aaron’s work and I frankly don’t think he has the knowledge, creativity or writing chops to pull it off.
    I suspect Cates will continue to build off of Aaron’s foundations and resolve everything in a completely unsatisfying way while overloading the reader with false dilemmas along the way — which IMO has been Cates most consistent writing fingerprint while at Marvel.

While I won't debate the point with you. Certainly we have grounds to believe your prediction is spot-on, let's just see how the story wraps up before we completely throw Cates under the bus. Show a little restraint first.

Fair enough my friend?

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