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Subj: Re: If I respond to your inquiry right now I'll probably mysteriously vanish (be BANNED) before we can finish our discussion.
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 at 12:48:16 pm EST (Viewed 233 times)
Reply Subj: Re: If I respond to your inquiry right now I'll probably mysteriously vanish (be BANNED) before we can finish our discussion.
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 at 04:28:52 pm EST (Viewed 168 times)
Quote:Because I'm not sure that Odin could have subdued the Mother Storm without it.
If we're having a discussion about the relative power of Odin and the Mother Storm I think the use of a McGuffin is a relevant qualifier.
Sometimes in battle the only way to end it is through killing your opponent. Fortunately for Odin he had a means to not execute his foe.
Quote:*Especially* since we've seen the Mother Storm via Mjolnir trump Odin several times in Aaron's revised canon.
This is the power of the Mother Storm PLUS the hammer. Even then, it wasn't a direct confrontation, it was Odin simply trying to control his prisoner without killing it.
Quote:Odin was battered and after days of battle he waited until he sensed the Mother Storm tire then used "all of his almighty might" to entrap the Storm in a chunk of Uru.
Come on, you can do better than this. If Odin was battered, then what was the condition of the Storm if it had physical form?
It would have been shown on it's back--defeated. Just because someone is battered doesn't mean you downplay their victory when clearly they are the only one standing at the end of the fight.
Quote:Did Odin display superior power? I think that's questionable.
Yes he clearly did.
Quote:What I don't see as debatable is that Odin used strategy and a unique item to imprison the Mother Storm.
All of the above apply.
Quote:Sure, but in this instance Odin proved unable to wield the weapon he helped to create.
If Odin truly had superior power it seems he could have bent the entrapped Storm (and Mjolnir) to his will. The whole situation made him look bad; IMO, when historically Mjolnir's feats have have buffed Odin's brand.
In the beginning this is true. But how do we not know later Odin found a way? The fact Odin wielded the hammer numerous times because the Storm was incapacitated for centuries, shows he found a way to bend the Storm to his will.
Quote:"The All-Father had trapped the Storm inside the Uru. Through what dark and primal magic, even he could not say." - Lord High Librarian of the Halls of the All-Knowing
Quote:It read to me as though Odin himself wasn't quite sure how he pulled it off.
That's to you, I interpret the events quite differently.
Quote:Right, this is why I see it as a retcon designed to diminish Odin.
I don't see it that way at all.
Quote:The enchantment rendered the hammer unable to be wielded by most. But as we saw the Mother Storm was able to either overpower or hijack those enchantments.
Yes over time after being incapacitated for centuries or perhaps Mjolnir was exposed to something in battle that gave it strength to wake up and overcome the enchantments.
Or perhaps the unending events of Ragnarok became a factor, we just don't know. I will blame Aaron for the numerous unresolved plot holes he created.
He could have made this work if he wasn't such a lazy writer as proven by blatantly ignoring Thor mythos continuity. He had some really good ideas IMHO but was terrible at executing them through. He didn't take anytime to think things through to appeal to us long-time Thor fans.
Quote:Par for the course for both Aaron and Cates.
Quote:It's strange, it seems Aaron's Mjolnir (even pre-worthiness enchantment) could not act of its own accord but when wielded the Mother Storm could assert its influence and wreak havoc.
Odin placed the enchantment on it to prevent others from wielding it.
Yes he did, but again, he wielded it himself even in battle on numerous occasions which means the Mother Storm was subdued at that point.
Quote:"Odin's ride had nearly destroyed Asgard. He forbade anyone from ever speaking of it again.
Until he found a way to control the Storm later.
Quote:The weapon was too unbridled, he swore. Too wild and untamed even for the gods. And if it would not be wielded by him, then it could rot for all he cared.
Yes in the beginning....but what happened later?
Quote:So the All-father placed enchantments on the hammer that would make it all but impossible for anyone else to ever lift it."
Quote:It was a typical Aaron retcon, meaning it had zero emphasis on maintaining established continuity or any internal consistency/verisimilitude.
I agree but if he had gone further in explanation, he could have made the entire story work from the beginning.
Quote:Mjolnir flies better for women according to Aaron, perhaps Thor becomes the first trans Avenger in order to get on better terms with his hammer?
Thor wasn't the only hero affected by the Power Girls strategy to appeal to women to buy Marvel's products.
Quote:It's interesting to me that Mjolnir, which is a thoroughly masculine object, is shown to be a feminine force by feminist writers.
It was temporary however right? Well besides the upcoming movie to include inclusion and diversity for everyone to enjoy.
Quote:Cates is the one that chose to rehash the Mother Storm retcon with his his God of Hammers arc. I see this more as Cates' doubling down rather than cleaning up.
We'll have to wait and see what happens but I wouldn't bet against you at this point.
Quote:Fair enough, we'll revisit this after this arc has concluded.
Assuming I'm not BANNED again LOL!!! If I don't show up, it means I was assassinated.