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Subj: Re: If I respond to your inquiry right now I'll probably mysteriously vanish (be BANNED) before we can finish our discussion.
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 at 05:20:00 pm EST (Viewed 223 times)
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 at 02:34:17 pm EST (Viewed 221 times)



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    All I'm saying is that Odin having superior power is debatable given what we were shown.


Okay I'm reading and listening here...convince me.


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    Isn't the power of the hammer just the power of the Mother Storm contained in Uru? That's basically what Odin suggested.


Uru that's nearly unbreakable right? Fueled by a rival entity is going to be trouble right?


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    Dwarf, "The rumors are true. The Mother Storm...trapped in the Uru."



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    Eitri, "You... you want us to kill it for you, Lord Odin?"



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    Odin, "Don't be a fool. I want you to forge it. Such power will be mine to wield."


See? Odin never had any motivation to kill it which is why he entrapped it in the first place. And we may both be right. Once the Storm was defeated and could no longer defend itself, Odin had two choices, either attempt to entrap it or kill it.

There was no indication the Storm ever had that advantage over Odin throughout the entire days/weeks fight.


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    Another time when Odin tried to lift Mjolnir (when it was still in Asgard's armory) Odin directly blamed the Mother Storm for his inability to lift it.


Yes, no dispute there.


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    Likewise I think you can do better as well.
    I would envision your theoretical physical manifestation of the Mother Storm to be equally battered, since they were in a days long dead lock -- as apparent equals.


Until the Mother Storm grew weakened and tired. Apparently Odin wasn't as weakened to be able to imprison the Storm right?


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    It would have been shown battered and gassed just as Odin was, minus the McGuffin that allowed Odin to pull out a last ditch entrapment.


No it was more battered and weakened to the point it couldn't defend itself any longer. Odin still had to use his own power to imprison the Tempest into the Uru right?


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    Highly questionable.
    Take the Uru away and could have Odin subdued the Mother Storm with his own power? Nothing in the scene suggests that to be the case.
    We see that through an expression of Odin's full power compounded with a block of Uru Odin was able to entrap a formless entity into a metal that is renowned for it's unique ability to absorb and retain magical energies.
    We are then told even Odin himself isn't sure of the magics he used to pull it off.


Which is fine. He wasn't sure doesn't matter because it was a tactic he used that was successful. It was through a combo of using the resources he wielded with strategy and outlasted his opponent to do so.

It appears his goal was to use the Power of the Storm to add to his other assets he had.

You say it's questionable he could have defeated the Storm under his own power, it's also questionable he could have slain the Storm after it blew itself out and could no longer defend itself.


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    Is that one interpretation? Sure. But the story absolutely left it open enough to invite reasonable debate on the matter.


Of course, why we are debating it here. After I read your first post on the matter I wanted to bring my perspective for your consideration.


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    As the High Librarian of the Hall of the Unknowing said, the Mother Storm went inactive (incorrectly assumed dead) after millennia of entrapment in Uru.
    In Aaron's continuity Odin never subdued the Mother Storm...it gave up due to it's long term imprisonment in Uru.


It's a matter of perspective here. Perhaps a combination of both. And if it gave up due to it's long imprisonment after Odin put it there, didn't Odin in effect subdue it?


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    Then how do you interpret it?
    How do you interpret the above quote?


I just did above.


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        Right, this is why I see it as a retcon designed to diminish Odin.

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        I don't see it that way at all.


And you could be right or wrong. I'm just bringing my insight to the table.


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        The enchantment rendered the hammer unable to be wielded by most. But as we saw the Mother Storm was able to either overpower or hijack those enchantments.

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        Yes over time after being incapacitated for centuries or perhaps Mjolnir was exposed to something in battle that gave it strength to wake up and overcome the enchantments.

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          Or perhaps the unending events of Ragnarok became a factor, we just don't know. I will blame Aaron for the numerous unresolved plot holes he created.



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    No prize explanations? I think perhaps you should just accept that Marvel canon is utterly broken at this point.


No disagreement as I stated Aaron created all of this with Lazy writing.


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    And yet you jump through hoops defending Aaron's choices as we've just seen. Color me confused.


No, you misunderstand me. I previously wrote Aaron fell short of maintaining continuity. What I was doing was trying to fill in the gaps via logic as a means to state the whole story (a great explanation he could have told).


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    I see it as disparate canon, Aaron's own attempt for that No Prize is that the Mother Storm just gave up after years of entrapment and was actually assumed dead by all.
    What's clear is that Odin never used his "superior power" to subdue the Mother Storm.


Resources at your command are not considered part of your power base?


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    Pretty much disproven in Thor #12 by the High Librarian of the Halls of the All-Knowing.



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    Jane Foster, "So...it IS alive?"



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    Librarian, "Perhaps it was once. But that was countless eons ago. Not even the greatest of storms could survive that long trapped in Uru."



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    Jane Foster, "But it SPOKE to me..."



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    Aaron is clearly indicating the Mother Storm was assumed to have died and but really just went inactive yet something about Jane woke it up. Girl-power I assume...


Yes, what I stated before as an explanation as to why Odin could lift Mjolnir throughout the ages. Thanks for posting that, totally in alignment as to what I stated. Give Aaron credit for that as well.


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    The Mother Storm woke up again and prevented Odin but overcoming his own enchantment on the Moon and helped Jane Foster humble him.


Yes, Aaron did make scapegoats out of both Thor and Odin throughout his run to hype his girl power puff creation Jane Foster. I just don't think the battle between Odin and The Storm was one of them.


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    But he didn't; IMO, because he is lazy and doesn't fully consider the repercussions of his choices. Neither has Cates thus far. Cates is even worse in this respect, IMO.


There were a lot of plot holes for sure but as you quoted, (and I had forgotten), the explanation as to why the Storm became inactive seems to be clear right?


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    I thought so until Cates revealed the God of Hammer to be a woman, presumably the Mother Storm unleashed.


But if I recall correctly, wasn't the Storm already established as female by Aaron during his run?






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